This is my first plurkshop. Is this the gathering spot?
i'll be here for a few minutes
Hey Connie - I played secretary and went and posted the link to this thread all over lol
Thank you,
Amber. Was just trying to do that.
By way of introduction,
kidmarmite is a fellow Plurk user and also on Twitter. And she has a blog called Grid Life about Second Life.
Connie you worry about here, I'll make sure folks find their way
present after posting the wrong thread link
Sure..did..perfect spelling!
rickwolff, if you are on the Plurk page you will have to manually refresh. If you're in the timeline eading this, it should autorefresh.
here and on SL
pfanderson is another fellow Plurker and also on Twitter as the same name. Patricia Anderson is with the University of Michigan, I believe.
it doesn't seem to be autorefreshing the timeline.
She is Perplexity Peccable in Second Life.
hi there...lots of SL folks. Connie, great poll overview!
NOTE: Please bear with us. We tend to overwhelm Plurk at times. You will probably have to manually refresh.
Perplexity Peccable in SL
pfanderson We're practically neighbors. I work in Southfield, live in Warren!
Again, I have posted the answers to the survey on the
plurkshops.com blog. It was a way for me to get out some facts about SL.
Teeg, I did the same thing
Why don't you two give us a bit of background on your involvement with Second Life?
According to the promo, we are supposed to be talking about the value of immersive experience
doesn't feel quite so embarrassed then,
pfanderson.
hey all, I should be working but stopping in to see how the plurkshop is going
is there anyone here who thinks that is a false concept? or questionable?
been active in SL for only about two years. I was offered a job as an interactive developer for a company who also offered SL services.
she is talking to herself, or computer crashed ...
I think the value you get out of SL is directly proportionate to what you put into SL
I build and script when called upon. I've worked with a few universities in various activities in-world.
pfanderson, you may have to manually refresh Plurk to see responses.
My plurks weren't showingup - sorry. I switched to a new screen
pfanderson, I don't know enough about SL to know if immersion is a false concept. Obviously you don't think so...how'd you get involved?
I am Perplexity Peccable inSL
is SL just like a second world? like an MMORPG or something?
I think VR has tremendous potential for education, training, meetings, events and building brands & thus wanted to learn more here.
I'm really curious about these virtual learning environments that universities are using.
I'm also working with another company on some Viewer improvement for Linden Lab.
pfanderson I've been on mmorpg's for years, watched children grow up there. Maybe not SL but still immersive. I don't question it's value.
working in healthcare, academic support (higher ed),and consumer health
"Immersive experience" actually refers to a type of learning.
Finally, I'm also a Mentor and really love new and experienced users inworld. That's very rewarding.
I got involved with SL basically because I was told to for work.
mentors in SL are a joke. Linden Lab doesn't monitor them anymore, so they threaten you and generally leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Second Life is a virtual world.
I'm not a gamer, so it was a big surprise to me to find it so useful and engaging.
pfanderson, so the university made a decision to get in Second Life and that was part of your job?
how do you get people/comps. to take SL seriously when avatars are used? (serious question) Curious as to how companies have embraced SL...
Hmm. Well, I guess I fall outside the norm for Mentors. I've never threatened anyone.
I am also a single parent of a special needs kid with no car. SL has vastly improved m professional engagement and productivity.
Connie am I remembering wrong or is immersive experience basically hands on experience, similar to weightless room for astronauts?
Cisco has embraced it more than any other company. They regularly hold tech talks, commission machinima, and engage residents.
Connie, yes - UM moved into SL and I was part of support team.
pfanderson that's a really interesting use for it!
For companies and educators, SL is great for presentations, meetings, and events. It saves time and money.
agrres w/ pfanderson - I live in a very rural area where social networks or events are rare
pfanderson, that's great to hear!
can someone explain "machinima"?
hmm having problems responding here
immersive does meanyou have to be there to understand. Can show, but not quite the same.
Immersive experience as a way of learning means involving as many of the five senses as possible during the learning experience.
machinima is movies made in a 3d gaming platform. I've worked in SL fulltime for 2 years making machinima.
machinima = machine video
pfanderson I'm thrilled to hear how UM has embraced SL!
how does Cisco use it for tech talks? I would assume all people involved have SL accounts...amazing.
IBM built their own metaverse in order to conduct employee training - no travel expenses.
yep
I've been commissioned to do projects for Cisco, Linden Lab, American Cancer Society, Manpower, and many others. I also blog it.
Companies like Cisco and Sun actually require employees to create an SL account as part of their orientation.
UM is only one of manyuniversities in SL
Can an event manager record an event on SL that can be viewed later by people who did not attend?
what's the advantage of something like SL over say, a webinar or video conf?
hmm Cisco has there own platform
Does Cisco have an entry into SL?
yes you can have a job in SL
I still can't get over the fact that cos. like IBM/Cisco allow employees to go create SL avatars. How do they keep track of 2 names (wrk/SL)
Cisco is very much in SL - they sponsor evvents
Amber, the "immersive" aspect of SL makes the meetings have more of an impact. Hard to explain until you've been in one.
Cisco has an orientation area with skins and different types of outfits so they're better off than most companies entering SL
Most often, larger corporations can have a special last name created for their company and will manage the registration process of employees
what's the easiest way for someone to immerse themselves in SL? After downloading S/W & setting up a name.
that makes a lot of sense
bethharte SL is what you make of it. It really depends on what you're into as to what area you'll immerse yourself in.
All Dell employees who are in SL have Dell as a last name. Pyrrha Dell is Laura Thomas, who started their SL initiative.
betharte I committed to 15 minutes a day
moomoney for examples...For example, I like historical fiction & movies. Is there something on SL for me? Or would I need to create it?
To be truthful, most of you won't make it past orientation. You'll have a hard time mastering it, won't know where to go, & stop logging in.
made all the difference in getting engaged andlearning teh ropes
Plurk is updating very slowly tonight ... thanks for being patient, everyone.
SL experience is a personal journey not the same experience for everyone
Wow I wonder if my government Org knows about Cisco in SL
there is a lot of different types of content, but finding it is tricky - helps to have a mentor
bethharte there's a community for everyone. you just have to find it and then you'll be fine.
Oh that piece of info, makes this worthwhile.
it helps if you have a friend that can meet you there and show you the ropes
Hi! Just poppin in for a moment! *waves*
rickwolff Oh, lord, Rick, it is SOOO much work for me! So many possibilities
how does one find a mentor, or is one assigned? If info is tricky to find, does that turn people off?
It helps to have someone show you the ropes in SL.
SusanReynolds invited me to her place in SL and tutored me.
rickwolff when you have 700 friends, there's never an off button. you have to go in busy mode to get anything done. it's distracting.
Sadly...it's not always easy to find a Mentor. They sometimes hang out on Orientation and Help Islands.
I manage our library, help build exhibits, collect freebies, do training, support faculty with questions, etc
If anyone in attendance tonight needs help in SL, I'm always happy to answer questions whenever I'm online.
rickwolff, that's what I was thinking from a corp perspective: lack of credibilty. But that doesn't seem true...
Connie, I do a lot of helping folk, and I know folks who do.
girlfromkansas I've stopped showing friends around because I'll spend 10 bucks on them, help them, then send them off. they never come back
Connie I had a friend do the same... I don't know if I would know all I do if it wasn't for them
also go to ISTE, join a group
you could find one within your own social circle if you ask
I have offered to help "plurkshops" in SL for those who want help learning about it.
Will anyone be attending the SL Higher Ed meeting in Tampa in September? I'm in Tampa & have connections to USF & would love to meet up.
The first time I logged on to SL, I was chased down the street by a nude guy avatar!
I have a couple slideshows in Slideshare on how to get started
a Court of Louis XIV simulation?? Really? I would have loved that.
moomoney....i understand that...there are lots of free things on SL though
livepath the worst things can happen to new folk
I wanetd to get really involved but it took a lot of time to find my way. It was a bit confusing.
griefers (the bad guys) target new folk who don't know how to defend themselves
YouTube is a great place to become oriented with SL
livepath The same thing happened to me when I first logged in. Took me a while to get over that scare!
girlfromkansas it's not even the money. it's the fact that they expect you to be there for them 24/7 and won't make their own friends.
girlfromkansas I collect freebies for our faculty, and make them available to our community
I'm an expert in usability and know enough to know that things aren't always intuitive or usable... but they must be LEARNABLE.
And have enough exposure to communities to know that the naked stalkers are usually the exception, not the rule. LOL
listening closely
pfanderson you know nothing about griefers. they target stupidity and blingtards, not newbies.
I tell folks it is like growing up in RL when we have a parent say "bad part of town". Forcomfort in SL, we need that "parent" to guide us
A good way to get introduced to the best aspects of SL is to attend events there -- like BlogHer, Relay for Life, Nonprofit Commons
moomoney...too bad...one of the first things I did was join a group...that helped make friends
moomoney lots of griefers hang out at the Welcome zones for new folk. I
*know* Connie there is a HUGE healthcare support group community in SL for folks with healthneeds
pfanderson the reason they hang out in welcome zones is because the blingtards get used to SL and never leave the area. I'm W-Hat myself.
Connie, I'd love to attend events but admit to not knowing how to find them and get there. Suggestions?
tons of good folks there to help others. Dreams, Ability Commons, Healthinfo Island, Virtual Abilities, Accessibility Island
just wanted to be 172 in the list. Waves to Plurkshoppers. Is it a Blue Light Special tonight?
AmberCadabra Fleep has the best calendar of educational events
Yes, mentoring realy helps. SL very similar to real world wth good and bad places
pfanderson - yes, SL is great for having support groups. I was on a panel in SL recently with group who works specifically w/ disabilities
pfanderson thanks, but I literally mean how to
*get* there LOL
rickwolff, I know what a simulation is...thanks!
I just want to see it in action! Amazing.
Lots of great live music- I attend classical music concerts on Music Island (Sea Turtle) every Saturday
Fleep wanted to be here tonight, but I'm not sure she's ever been on Plurk.
Perhaps there should be SL "paid" greeters... it works for retail - why not SL?
Amber, you might needa Map tutorial. Look meup in world sometime?
livepath because a lot of companies stopped coming into SL when the negative backlash hit. business is down bigtime too.
I like SL but i never really had time to devote to it.
It helps to do a bit of research before trying SL -- find out where good events, concerts are. Many blogs about them.
You need a decent PC or Mac.and High Speed Internet prefeably cable.
livepath they do have paid greeters, but not enough of them, and not enough clout for those that are there.
Connie is right - many excellent blogs and SL tourist publications toshow folks better quality events
blingtards? griefers? So, there are actual "bad folks" that go hang out on SL? They suck IRL so they go cause damage in a fake life too?
Some companies initially made the mistake of getting into SL for marketing purposes only. The ones who stay learn how to build communities.
yes, getting started can be tricky - do the research and try things
I have the link for Fleep's calendar of events, and will post it here after the event
kidmarmite: your cheat sheet looks helpful.
Well, I think naked guy was trying to be friendly... and it did teach me how to run pretty quickly! LOL
Virtual worlds, Internet forums, real life -- people are people, good and bad.
Rick, I've seen some of that - companies that didn't get it, and refused advice or involvement from community. Oops.
bethharte LOL they're on socnets, so why not SL too. I wonder if they're as bad as SU's trolls and send people death threats?
bethharte griefers are people out to cause trouble and blingtards are people with big hair, ridiculous bodies, and glowing attachments
jlamos Thanks! I'm working on an update to the cheatsheet and will also be working with some peeps on translated versions!
Is there a published SL dictionary for all these words? (Blingtard, etc.). I like that word. I might apply it outside of SL...
livepath, how did you learn how to run?? Keyboard? ->>>>
we put a lot of out tutorials for SL and tip sheets in our wiki and blog
to folks like Paris Hilton!
pknit sounds lovely! I foudn one knitting shop ...
Strange, Plurk seems to not display,and refresh gets me away from my earlier displayed messages
if she missed the link to
kidmarmite's cheat sheet somewhere?
TheSockKnitter It's a discussion on immersion in a massively multiplayer online social world
TheSockKnitter this isa forum about Second life and virtual worlds - do they have value?
teeg, I didn't think about it that way...so true! Thanks moomoney, blingtards don't sound so bad...just cheesy!
Thanks for the links,
pfanderson. I take it "slum" is for Second Life University of Michigan ?
i'm attending a live concert right now while in the plurkshop...
i'm attending a live concert right now while in the plurkshop...
kidmarmite: Very nice. I'll keep an eye out.
bethharte they're not bad people. they're just easy to make fun of!
Connie - that's Right!SLUM = Second Life University of Michigan
that was before SL changed the rules - not sure what to do, since it is in all our URLs
kidmarmite I missed link to cheat sheet as well. Will repost these links to plurkshops blog tomorrow.
This appears to be a great discssion. For those who have a decent (fairly new computer) with good graphics a High Speed Internet, please
Oh! Yes - I saw that and didn't click through. Thanks
kidmarmite!
so what other value does SL offer? Does anyone know more about classes? I would suspect that Yale charges...
Connie, yes we have some classes in SL
My pleasure
kidmarmite Thanks for reposting it! Bookmarking for use later
We have an Italian faculty who uses SL for language immersion experiences for his students, and they blog about it
I must get some sleep you guys have fun. Be
I must get some sleep you guys have fun. Bye
moomoney thx! I alsosearch for items at $0L in onrez or SLExchange
I will definitely check out the one you recommend!
Beth, answers to survey show other uses: classes, training, virtual trade shows, job fairs for hiring, support groups ... limitless.
I have worked with a university's nursing program. They are going to use SL as a way to train nursing students.
I just participated in a SL class this morning about Facebook
They plan to do a lot of role playing and scenario training with students as well.
livepath I know lots ofteachers in SL. The biggest association is ISTE - International Society for Technology in Education - great events.
Connie, do you know how many companies actually use SL for those things? Or is it mainly very techie companies?
I find teaching machinima on the teen grid to be rewarding. I feel like a mentor to them.
There is a lot of entertainment in second life -- live music and concerts. That is part of the immersive experience -- being there.
Plurk is like the Orientation Island of online chat.
following this from a mobile is a little nuts. will jump on from home.
there are many groups that offer free SL skills training classes - NCI is one
bethharte I think it is mostly tech & marketing and popular companies right now, but starting to branch out
dirk LOL. Yeah - makes me tired.
I guess my disconnect is that it looks more fun than actually useful in my daily life. I guess I need to experience it first hand.
moomoney points out there is a Teen Grid for ages 13-18; Second Life is for adults.
kidmarmite I am interested in the nursing class. You know JS Vavoom, right?
bethharte the nonprofit scene in SL is getting HUGE. it's a cheaper alternative to doing projects IRL.
B2C companies -- Coke, Toyota, etc. are more likely to be there than B2B
dirk yah. But no meditating hippos
Bethharte I do have some fun, but for me it is mostly work and service to others.
Wow
connie that's a pretty bold statement. Is that based on observation or stats? (If so would like 2 see research!)
Connie MooMoney I know there are some great places and communities on Teen Grid, but there are some really awful ones also.
Travel and tourism companies also on Second Life a lot.
rickwolff I know people from all walks of life in SL. Cancer survivors, grandmothers, great grandmothers, teens fresh out of HS.
I've seen lots of atheletic companies and orgs also.
connie I think I read that completely wrong. Sleep deprivation. Sorry.
kidmarmite JS Vavoom has built an emergency room simulator for teaching nursing students - it will blow your mind!!
i'm old as dirt, but not too old for SL
rickwolff
Sorry Plurk is taking forever for me grrrr B2B = business to business, B2C = business to consumer
pfanderson That's awesome. I need to check that out!
B2B is business-to-business companies
pfanderson Are the nurses training for things like a pandemic bird flue crises that would be hard to in "real" life?
regarding age, the SL metrics are VERY interesting and surprising
connie I look forward to following up this chat with one at Social Media Camp on Wednesday
4byoung U-Idaho has built a pandemic response simulation in SL, and crisis response - again wonderful!
3D simulation is wave of the future for training -- nurses, medical students, even truck drivers (see plurkshops blog)
re metrics, most avatars are from young folk (<30), but most hours spent in SL are from 'old folk' (>45)
moomoney - great, looking forward to Social Media Camp on Wednesday.
the over 45 crowd averages ~60 hours a week,while under 30s average ~12
this is because of accessibility for the homebound and persons with disabilities -they practically live in SL, skew results
Hmmm this one time at social media camp....
The median age of users is early 30s -- not as young as some people think. When it comes to nonprofits, the age is much older.
pfanderson, that is so cool! A pandemic response simulation...Wow, that could be used for disasters too...how to prepare.
pfanderson Thanks! Will look that up. I think Soc Media & VR have great potential in helping companies w-Bus Continuity issues in a crisis.
bethharte it really is wonderful - very detailed. I have pics of that in my Flickr acct also
another interesting health location in SL is a giant anatomical / physiology model - the Giant Testis. Really
Do World Vision or Habitat for Humanity have a presence in SL?
One of the reasons I'm involved in SL is because of trends. I'm learning now to be ahead of the curve as the Web continues to move toward 3D
I think I need to dust off Grainne Finesmith and get her to the Court of Louis XIV (while avoiding naked people!)
there are Genomics training labs, Edgar Allen Poe short story replicas, historical immersion experiences - fascinating stuff
livepath I'm not sure about Habitat for Humanity. I think they are.
Connie That is a smart move. This really is the future of web.
There is so much to do/see in SL, it's hard to know where to start, so links shared by people you trust - like
pfanderson &
kidmarmite
there is a lot of architecture modeling going onin SL, especially or usability testing of designs before building
I am interested to see how travel companies use SL.
Very much the future of web -- and ecommerce. Think Webkins.
Connie kidmarmite virtual worlds ARE the future - many children'sonline "games" are really virtual worlds
Connie, it would be nice to be a head of the curve for once! Thank you so much for teaching me about SL. I will def. need to check it out!
BethHarte I bet
Connie would let you hang out at her place like she has me.
BTW, the correct survey answer is that ppl spend $1.5 billion on virtual goods.
Has anyone tried Rocketon? An avatar that can 'travel' w-you around the web & potentially interact at any web site?
bethharte NOAA has been doing emergency weather simulations in SL for some time. You can see videos on YouTube.
perhaps this is a silly question but why do so many people seem to have a different SL name compared to their usual SM name?
one of our pharmacy faculty say if we don't populate virtual worlds with quality folk/content, what will our children find there?
Sorry folks, I have to run. Work calls before I call it a night!
Sorry folks, I have to run. Work calls before I call it a night!
Analysts predict that by 2011, 80% of Internet users will have avatars and be active in virtual worlds.
dirk yes, the NOAA is very active in SL, also NASA
SLurls of all these places in the transcripts - pretty please
Amber, I need to download the S/W first...
Then I'll ask Connie for an invite to a BBQ.
Oops...apologies for the double post!
kidmarmite Thank you SO MUCH for being here and helping.
Thank you for inviting me, Connie!
sloitkut good point - I'll try to add some
kidmarmite Thanks for coming! A lot of information tonight!
Teeg right now Linden Lab controls SL names. So you have to choose one of their last names.
there is a wiki that collects SLURLs for educational locations
As I said before, anyone is welcome to contact me inworld, just look up Kippie Friedkin. Or find me on Plurk, Twitter, or blog
kidmarmite I'll definitely look you up - nice to meet you!
AS someone said earlier, large companies can get custom last names from Linden Labs. Like Dell
in SL I am Perplexity Peccable
thanks everyone! I am sorry I missed this, but will read the thread! And look forward to the recap!
thanks to all who came- what a wild game!
I am Reece Llewellyn in Second Life.
to help any newbies in SL I am Sloitkut Maynard
I have to go, but I'm moo Money and Money Moo in SL. I hope you guys will give SL a real chance because it's an amazing platform.
I am Grainne Finesmith (once I get out there and find my way around)
pfanderson - this is actually "slow" for a plurkshop. 350 responses in one hour.
Plurk is lagging like Second Life tonight.
thanks for sharing the NOAA thing Beth! They are based in Boulder and I have done a couple of projects with them! I love that place~
bethharte LMAO! I'm Audra Finesmith. I guess we're related.
to say thank you and looks forward to meeting new friends in world
connie yep plurk is making it difficult tonight
And if anybody is interested in having a plurkshop IN Second Life, leave a message for me on the
plurkshops.com blog.
Sloitkut, thanks so much for joining us.
I am Widbee Finesmith and a Newbie and not ashamed to say I just got the SL for Dummies book.
livepath and
moomoney Thanks for coming! Realizing how much I'm going to have to learn, but it sounds exciting.
Special thanks again to
pfanderson and
kidmarmite for staying up late to share their knowledge with us.
It's very exciting to me to learn more about what they are doing in Second Life.
4byoung Go for it! I've heard good things about it, especially if you don't have a personal mentor
4byoung, does that make us related?! I am Grainne Finesmith.
Teeg 15 minutes a day can really make it so much easier ...
Connie, I definitely am interested in a Plurkshop there...just as soon as I get a character set up
BTW,
pfanderson is the one who designed the lovely peapod party dress I wore in Second Life last weekend.
Connie thanks for doing this one, and thanks to the guests too! Great information.
screams and runs out of the building
pfanderson that sounds like a good way of doing it! Thanks!
bethharte 4byoung In Caledon, you would greet each other as cousins or cuz
I have a Cousin Peccablewho is a wild pig and very literate
I have not met any of my Llewellyn cousins yet.
bethharte Maybe. You can see if you want me as a relative after you look at my avatar.
it must not take much to scare
Dirk.
Connie and
pfanderson Thank you both so much! Now I'm looking forward to trying SL!
Teeg, so glad to hear that. And now you have people who are willing to help you with the learning curve - and make it fun.
everyone in this plurkshop gives SL a try if they aren't already there.
This has been a wonderful plurkshop and shows the value of Plurk. Thanks for the great info and links.
LOL. And off to bed for me ... wow. Great event, Connie! Thx fro invite!
I've hear Audra Finesmith is a troublemaker on Sl too!
Must run in the family!
that will definitely help,
Connie! Knowing people who are already on a site can make a real difference in enjoyment levels.
Thanks Connie and SL folks, this has been great!
Goodnight,
pfanderson. And many thanks for your insights.
Thank you to all who participated. I do hope you'll give SL a try. If you want to be involved in an in-world plurkshop, let me know.
You can leave a comment on the plurkshop blog with the survey answers.
bethharte hush with you. just cause you're jealous of my skates...
connie Do you think it would be hard for someone to participate if they are relatively new to SL?
I guess i'd better dl SL again.
4byoung The in-world plurkshop will be especially helpful for newbies. A place to learn among friends.
Connie I am interested in the in-world workshop.
Great! I will post an announcement here and on the
plurkshops.com blog when we have a time and place for in-world meeting.
that's great Connie! I would like that too!
DebinDenver me too!
that's
my blog - don't know how it got so messed up in previous plurk
looking forward to reading all the plurks at this plurkshop!