FLOPS
magicom Maniette yarnzipan Ihdreniel y'all affected
tinwateringcan cannibalherpes these pins are less urgent but you got a formal mention
magicom Maniette yarnzipan Ihdreniel y'all affected
tinwateringcan cannibalherpes these pins are less urgent but you got a formal mention
arthur/john like "why is it always misty"
funny enough jarthur won't blame misty for this one. it's not her fault that walter's fucking demented
he does hope Misty yells at him
I mean, forgone conclusion
^ yeah
pretty sure there can be two yells
scoots in here
ALSO if anyone has a day that is good/bad for them you can let me know
bro what the shit
<- trevor's reaction
i'm working this whole week and have the friday off, so i am FULLY available to tag 8D
Walter, what the fuck.
he's such a little freak 
Peace was never an option.
so arthur might not bleed out even if walter does hit an artery bc he's Built Different or something, but it does mean he's gonna be a fucking m e s s when he does eventually get found
he goes through Some SHIT canonically that puts even this to shame
given he was still alive after being run through
and not by something small
arthur gets run through a lot
Peace absolutely was an option. You're just... bonkers, Sir.
peace has in fact been arthur's choice this entire time
I Tried Peace For Six Months And All I Got Was This Enposib T Shirt
Nu-uh, you tried waiting for six months and then you sprang a trap on someone. That's different!
i'm so excited for this to go up, the IC conversations will be wild
also it's either going to be John Finding Arthur Directly, after the time passes, or Someone Finding Arthur And Telling John, so we might solicit a volunteer for that, but either way John Is 100% There
(and it wouldn't require any extra threading on your part lenga, just extra characters in play bloating your inbox 
)
)
He did try having a civil conversation with Misty about this (pathetically) (obviously trying to change someone's answer after the fact is worse you get how that's worse right)
Oh yeah I didn't put in so many volunteer requests as I tried to think of THEY ARE WELCOME
What's really wild about the IC conversations is that I expect the outright cannibalism to come out in network comments. Utter shitstorm
But yeah various stuff like "my characters immediate reaction would be to message this character", and also if people do think it is interesting I am open to witnesses of Walter generally shuffling around suspiciously but making his way downtown walking fast
https://lastvoyages.drea... karaoke
I am on desktop. I am doing some medical chores and then I get to write up the final big escape room comment. but in my heart. Walter is at karaoke
<333
It's okay, I know he's there!
https://lastvoyages.drea... de facto "Walter at karaoke"
when I was a kid I thought the lyrics were
Matchmaker, Matchmaker,
Make me a match,
Find me a find,
catch me a catch
Matchmaker, Matchmaker
Groom me a groom
And I will be a happy young bride!
Make me a match,
Find me a find,
catch me a catch
Matchmaker, Matchmaker
Groom me a groom
And I will be a happy young bride!
I am going to do a reaction for Walter's comment because it's sweet but you don't have to tag it back xD
also my RP husbando for another character is Yoshikage Kira with the stand Killer Queen so OOC I AM cheering for Queen
Yesss Queen!!!!
xD If Hanna did one, it'd be either Good ole fashioned lover boy, the show must go on or don't stop me now.
Though tbh it'd probably be the show must go because LOL
pyotr wouldn't sing those songs but killer queen and good ol fashion lover boy do have a certain vibe
like not his vibe, but also not unrelated either
sheer heart attack is how Stavrogin makes him feel
slkdfjkdf
lol!
Okay I have truly had the time of my life at ic karaoke
And I accomplished a lot writing all this shit
I'm going to have to work. My job. Tomorrow. I'm going to do a good job at my job...
If I don't really see plotting comments by the time work is over tomorrow then I'm going to start working on converting the writeup into a log with no modifications though it will still be flexible
I'm going to bonk myself with a stick I am determined to work and then give myself time to tag
is he going to do this and then go to karaoke, or is karaoke going to predate the attack
either option is funny btw
oh no...I don't know which one I like more 
Karaoke is earlier
Telling my friend about karaoke and he said "total eclipse of the heart"
Someone do it
Me: I'm having a combination of health and work that means I can't tag very much
Me when Monday I have a combination of health and work so I can't tag:
Me when Monday I have a combination of health and work so I can't tag:
I was very very good and I did my job at work today.
I don't see comments so the log conversion process is in queue. We will see if it is necessary for the log to be posted 9/25 as originally posited
Good job doing it! (it can be so hard) also omg total eclipse of the heart...
Im anticipating my job is going to feel hard tomorrow too. I'm doing the classic "five tags every three days" right now though
I'm so happy for the, like, 30 characters with port catch alls
how have I already posted seven goddamn logs and two network posts in this game
/ liking this so I can tag in when I get home
Bro I am terrified to look at my count.
ALSO by the way you're at liberty to set it before or after this (my original plan was before but it is not a big deal) whatever is good for you!
Also considering stalking all these but I might just leave this up and refresh it to spare my inbox
hell yeahhhhh
was just about to ping kira about that too, yes Pyotr sent movie club (yelena, silver, and erskine) a message warning that walter was going to do something "stupid" and by now has plotted with erskine
can i comment whenever, or do you want to wait until you've done a bit of the earlier threats first
(i wanted to get the erskine thread progressed before he responded to yelena)
Because Arthur will have very little time to react to actually getting yanked, I have decided Silver Arthur and Misty can all be whenever so Iddy you can come right away ALSO I DO HAVE A SMID WRAPUP TAG VERY SOON IM SORRY MY BRAIN HAS GOTTEN CHEWED (Walter and SMID are basically gonna Leave after the blood reveal I messaged you)
Elmo really covers it
I love this
Okay, but the important question is: how could you not title the log "The Worst Pies In London"?
Decent point. Honestly I had already started to struggle with Sweeney Todd titles so I made the switch to Phantom of the Opera titles
This one is significant because I did NOT change a word to be silly
Walter sincerity arc!!!
sincerely drugging some rando to make pie
Living his best life
[Arthur bleeding out in the background]
This ain't about him
[Arthur bleeding out in the background]
This ain't about him
The fond "Damn" is sending me
Photos taken before disaster
Rude Walter
Doctortective getting engaged on this cruise I'm gomen
Or well rings visible, could be under the gloves after all haha
what the fuck is your avatar
at least he got engaged and THEN gets vored. that was polite of you Walter.
he's cutting away the skin with a knife. that ain't vore
pfft I know. it was a dumb joke
I am likewise being silly like there are many pedantic statements to be made that will nevertheless reflect poorly on Walter
I actually have no idea if Arthur would wear a ring. it raises a lot of assumptions that are dangerous back home given the circumstances
maybe on a chain rather than on his hand, if he did
The thread seems to not involve them giving rings or anything so no ring for now should be good then
yeah it probably wouldn't happen until they have a little ceremony, hee
"little"
They can have little engagement party and absolutely huge wedding
Sits. I've slept terrible tonight despite SPECIFICALLY setting it aside to do chores, thanks so much universe 
9/27 <- we are now here!
9/28 <- earliest possible proposed time for network post to go up. On current progression I don't think this is viable
9/29 <- another great time!
9/30 <- this is a big day IRL so post will NOT go up on this day
10/1 <- will start discussing options at this point
9/28 <- earliest possible proposed time for network post to go up. On current progression I don't think this is viable
9/29 <- another great time!
9/30 <- this is a big day IRL so post will NOT go up on this day
10/1 <- will start discussing options at this point
Cause developing the threads is important, I just don't want to be a problem for anyone trying to participate in days to come on the overall game calendar
your conscientiousness is genuinely so incredible <3
The hostess with the mostest
there is a reaction thing I would like to do when/if it happens on boat so I'm watching. no pressure at all! I just wanted to mention.
also I was struck earlier by Walters "oh no he's in my brain! 😭" in that one tag and then like ... you do this thinking John's a bad person who'd do bad things... while having huge important secrets. Walter. buddy.
IT IS SO IMPORTANT
why would you piss off someone who can go in your head if you have important secrets buddy?
is the reaction the same as the discovery thread, or a second thing? Both are welcome in some capacity. I think the arthur thread may finish tonight
the reaction will be to getting word about Arthur
pure anger response is going to have him essentially overriding every electronic on boat to play a song like that creepy bit in Independence Day/Man of Steel
HAHAHASDFHASDFHD
first of all if JD could/would actually go deeper in his head then he presumably would have had a big reaction right there so Walter is keeping it together in the medium term of proceeding with his plan.
which will be less a flex and more a "my very being warps reality around it and usually I'm super careful about that but nope too upset" so it's not like a targeted announcement
it is so funny to me. i think the timing would be Arthur hurt -> run to Misty -> in the middle of the Malcolm thread. they're still talking and BLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
second, the one thing that matters is convincing Misty to change her deal and then she will be safe when she goes home. everything that happens on the barge is secondary to the end result of being "brainwashed". being treated like shit on the barge and the secrets outed to whatever degree on the barge is certainly gonna suck but Oh Well. Already Sucks
JD can. he just wouldn't even at his angriest.
yeah this is very much a Question Of Would situation in reality.
he holds personhood and someone's secrets very sacred
and violating those things is very much a no.
but I was laughing because like... if you think he's a shitty person who Wouldn't hold back and brainwashed someone...
walter!!!!!
the secret group!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is why pyotr is so pissed
im going to say he doesnt know the extent of JD"s mindreading powers or else he'd be even more furious :')
to be fair
the other thing is like (from Walter's perspective) they??? very convincingly LARP??? respecting privacy???
...dude you ate part of his soulmate. you think he's maintaining kayfabe at that point?
onemuon: JD keeps it very much on the downlow because he will never use it.
^ thank you, that is so good to know
yeah so Walter also figures that like maybe there are limits such as proximity or always being able to feel when it is used
he definitely found out for the first time that there were any definite psychic abilities in cat thread
I'd like to have a moment of silence to thank Showtime for naming him Adam Martin so I could write this
incredible
This author tabithatwo is always saying "Yellowjackets adult timeline has such flippant black humor like a Showtime" like Weeds or whatever and my canon review has made me so powerful I truly think both of the "jokes" in this tag could happen on the show
(the other one "magically go away")
Me here kneading my little throw pillow for like two hours in cozy mode, living my little life, then suddenly realizing by the Lester Sheehan standard, Arthur Lester counts as an iconic Name Name like Jessica Roberts, Adam Martin, and Jackie Taylor
funny enough, John had a crisis about that too when Sheehan first arrived
No wonder I get shivers down my spine every time it's like "who do you want to kill?" "Arthur Lester"
Walter having the sinking realization that it might not even be like "Walter you are fuckin crazy for hurting someone and there will be consequences, but I'm changing my deal"
He really never considered this entire time that there could be an actual good reason for the deal to be the way it was
I have been here counting the hands in the Arthur thread. There are five out of eight I think. It is not necessary to the story but I'm having fun
we good for saying things are happening today, we think or hold off?
I am JUST about to get lunch (lunch.) sorry about that haha. Like I was here "whee Narrenschiff writeup then a break". Basically my thinking yesterday was "one day for Misty thread one day for Malcolm thread, network post". So I think things are shaping up okay for Misty thread started 9/27, Malcolm thread started 9/28, post 9/29.
And that the Arthur thread seems to be finishing well Today
no worries! food important! sorry to interrupt
okay so post tomorrow
So to clarify is this
Arthur thread -> Misty thread -> Malcolm thread -> John post which features the electronics going BLAAAAASAAM?
Arthur thread -> Misty thread -> Malcolm thread -> John post which features the electronics going BLAAAAASAAM?
Yes, I was asking about John post of things going ASDFASDF
OK! That is cool. If anything I think it's the best way since it'll be a good leadup (as opposed to the first network post about the incident being Walter, Malcolm etc)
Yeah, this won't be intentional or 'informative' and only a few people will have a clue that's John.
but fun and ominous!
I haven't been keeping track of the scores, but if they tie then the muffins make a hilarious tie breaker prize
yeah I was like. why the hell is baccarat 8 hands. you know what, we can use this
maniette actually since there has been a typo or two I am gonna ask, was "treatment" the intended word? Or torment or something
THANK, it was meant to be threat
I totally understand because my phone kept trying to make project into protect in this new tag
yeeee boooiii
mines gonna be big hold on a hot minute
the Sweeney Todd reference has been referenced. the Sweeney Todd reference has hit the building
honestly if Misty shoved him off this railing I would not demote her
Walter this is so awkward!!!!
the bouncing muffin. help
Walter really and truly took adorkable too far. he took it into adarkable by... mistake in the sense of it was bad
The muffin wins the oscar
play of the game: muffin
like in Overwatch
now I want the replay of the muffin bounce
"The Barge kind of is a cult." I'm dying
Im so sad that I can neither find the Play Of The Game parody gif I thought I remembered, nor a dramatic muffin bounce gif
THE BARGE KIND OF IS A CULT. HERE'S HOW MISTY CAN STILL JOIN MOVIE CLUB
I am almost sad the music can't hit RIGHT after Misty's tag. Just for the dramatic movie moment of 'WHAT DID YOU DO-" /phantom of the opera-esque creepy prog rock chord
is Walter doing the thing going to be on Arthur's tag there? otherwise I'm gonna start prepping for the Rescue :>
one second, I am going to have to write Walter having a stupid movie villain smile
Any Things Done are here so after the Movie Villain Smile, discovery replies are free!!
Any Things Done are here so after the Movie Villain Smile, discovery replies are free!!
oh my god
I love him
he's so fucking unhinged
magicom I think tonight is not quite in the cards for our own thread. but great progress has been made today hooray. if early tomorrow vs later tomorrow is better for you then you can let me know. if having the BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAM really early within the thread is better for you then let me know.
since the chronological progression of Misty thread -> Malcolm thread -> JD post (BLAAAAAAAAAAM) is the plan.
honestly
who deserves the Muffin Bouncer plurk display name
Mani wrote this line and strictly speaking Arthur is the one who dropped it. but if it is accepted that Walter's actions caused this muffin bounce. I will wear this badge with honor
THE MOVIE VILLAIN SMIRK IS UP
Walter just here rolling from cliche to cliche
movie villain appropriation
I couldn't help it
thank you
Walter's triumph.
Walter's ten minutes of feeling really cool followed by No Longer Feeling Cool
I’m good to go whenever you are.
Putting some links here so they're easier to appreciate for posterity
Justine attack plotting I imagine ill put Justine log as well if it's separate
Since Walter told Misty about how he's going to Malcolm, I think it's likely her reaction to that can segue into the Malcolm starter (e.g. she's like "yeah I'm marching you down there myself you bastard", "ugh I should message him to warn him", etc)
(also don't forget to hit up the violence reporting post when you have a moment!)
OH I'M SORRY I thought like because of the individual plotting that this was okay
I AM PRO POST
Does there need to be a top level OOC comm post for this as well?
ancillaries: Root found him and called John
OK I actually think I'm not gonna post this just yet because "Outcome" (Zero, house arrest, etc) is still undecided
they are now in Arthur's cabin with Root and Sheehan
Outcome: Malcom Bright Takes Care Of It
John seethes in a corner and trusts his good friend to handle it
cannibalherpes actually looking at the post, technically Trevor is in the "gave him a weapon" category. Hm
the primary weapon was the needle but the dagger was a secondary weapon used
OOC comm posts are only for reporting things that would potentially be noticeable to the ship at large (ex. setting damage, shipwide rampages)
Report his ass to the admiral!
Trevor’s been skating in the grey for years.
honestly Jacob is probably in this too but Oh Well
why Jacob?
I think Jacob had originally received his gun from Trevor? But there was a thread of him turning it in again so it's not a big deal
actually he might not even have ever actually shot anyone in a bad way with it, so maybe that's why
FYI at this point my inbox is MAAR'd to promote control. I have a plurk private to just myself where I've linked 5-10 threads I think are both important and plausible to tag. (this includes the post where post-karaoke thread will go). Once Malcolm thread is started that'll be my sole priority (especially because Sarah is so fast bless her)
and at some point there will be a full IC announcement that a Category 4 Walter Incident occurred. I still do not know exactly what form that will take. but probably it will present me with multiple threads and be a high priority as well.
If it helps, I don't think John will want to talk to Walter so no worries there. And John's going to 100% defer to Malcolm on how communication is done on this other than to say 'don't take food from people or ordered by people' and 'arthur was hurt'. Just for FYI.
Coolio. Also I'm actually taking a break on our car thread since I got it to a decent little transition point and at some point later I'll have an idea Song He Wants To Play. For something for it to express
sounds good!
Referring to above - He gave Trevor back the gun he'd given to him. Jacob has a gun now, but Norton gave it to him.
its killing me that walter isnt even explaining his emotional reasons to misty just like 'here is this human meat pie i made, if you dont want it, fine, just tell me and i'll throw it away and go to malcolm"
There was so much yandere monologue in the immediately previous tag that she didn't fully process the yandere yet so he is keeping it simple
Like not having a big reaction to "together"
He really believes that the human meat will instantly create a magical bond and that this doesn't have to be while they are actually starving. Well to be more precise 20% chance of that, 80% chance of she's gotten enough treatment that she'll think that's crazy. And we are in the 80% right now
I'm so sorry for the "don't eat food ordered for you by someone else" of it all
pyotr, meanwhile: here, walter. erskine and i baked you cookies to show our support <3 (they're poison)
"He really believes that the human meat will instantly create a magical bond and that this doesn't have to be while they are actually starving."
theory: walter is a horsegirl
Misty is his horse
Misty was his horse in the shadow place so.
Misty is a horse because of Misty of Chincoteague
The human meat creates a magical bond even when they're not starving because VIP Lottie told him they did it to Natalie
** significant interpretation was involved
Misty of Chincoteague is just a fictional character ❤️
The silver thread is fuckin sending me like "my man ... Is this about being in the friend zone"
it's so amazing
silver: obviously the Barge is a hellish limbo meant to make you give up on your friends and your dreams
silver: but it can also be true that she's just not into you
silver: but it can also be true that she's just not into you
(I'm sorry I'm so slow!)
Walter: I've accepted many sacrifices upon myself. Arthur the barge teacher's pet being mad at me. John the mini Admiral entity being mad at me. Realistically, Misty herself being mad at me. Being known as Cannibalism Guy. Malcolm likely restricting me
But most sacrificially of all. Being known as Friend Zone Guy.
"mini Admiral entity' woooow
I mean could he not do this
not if he doesn't want to be enslaved by worst!Nyarlathotep!!
and technically his current deal is going to his INMATE
Alright... My availability is ending... Kinda soon. I've been stalking the John post trying to keep up with the possible movements and I have thoughts
Also I don't think I can physically ping everyone so be patient haha. My understanding of how this would work is something like Misty and Walter are in the bathroom, Misty steps just outside of the bathroom to frantically call John,
Walter being transported to Malcolm is monitored
Will is, like, in a room and it's like "... Can Walter please be alone with Malcolm"
Will is, like, in a room and it's like "... Can Walter please be alone with Malcolm"
Yeah, if it's official warden/inmate stuff, Will would excuse himself, most likely. Although I figured he's bound to get a little of "he did what?" either before or after, just because they were spending time when Malcolm got the alert on it.
Walter would like to be alone with Malcolm, under restrictive conditions as necessary, before either of them meet Arthur, but Walter doesn't actually have rights lmao
arthur definitely wants to speak to them both bc he is fucking furious
to the point of having just needed to be talked down from taking the fight discussion to malcolm
Yeah I was reading this and I was like "oh... Well dang he certainly has a good reason"
ALRIGHT
I have
Good news
I should be able to post
A thing
Before losing my availability
I have
Good news
I should be able to post
A thing
Before losing my availability
I didn't see Misty's comment at the time of typing some of this stuff
i'm about to go to bed BUT she's not going to want him to walk away!
they need to keep an eye on the Pie to make sure that no one else stumbles across it and/or it doesn't get destroyed before malcolm et al can figure out what to do with it, but she also doesn't want to carry it around the ship
Alright THAT IS OK
I HAVE DEVISED AN EDIT
like she will attempt to bodily prevent him from leaving the bathroom, if necessary. full scuffle by the door
o7 i am also gone all day tomorrow, i'm sorry in advance 
Okay THIS IS THE BEST I COULD WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND plz understand he is compliant
So like... Plz use your imagination on acceptable distance within sections of the bathroom etc
That said magicorn
THE STARTER... HAS STARTED again like... My availability is basically over now until late tomorrow
THE STARTER... HAS STARTED again like... My availability is basically over now until late tomorrow
But in a form, it exists
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT I'M SORRY but she absolutely would not have wanted him to leave the bathroom at all
So around a corner can be like in another corner of the small room etc just. We are doing our best
so for him to be leaning against the wall outside he would have had to fight her grabby hands off to get out the door - which is 100% fine with me!
ah, okay; i was looking at the wording of your tag to me
ANYWAY i really have to run, but again, i'm down for anything; if you want him to be outside i'm oocly fine with that, just handwave that he squirreled his way around her + imagine her in the background trying to tug him back in and hissing angrily about *"why do you keep wanting to have these conversations IN PUBLIC HALLWAYS""
OKAY I MADE A THIRD VERSION "leaning on the other edge of the wall"
BLOWS KISSES TO EVERYONE
o7 sorry again about the false start; in the bathroom vs outside the bathroom would unfortunately be a very important distinction for her here
tinwateringcan: also please don't be sorry for your slow tag because I have been tensely refreshing these all day the past few days and something unrelated and funny just SLAYED me
I'M CLOSING THE WINDOWS... BLOWS KISSES!!!
Malcolm making his way downtown walking fast walking faster... I am willing to "backthread" a certain extent of evidence decision making ("backthread" it's like one day that we are just very very busy) but. Walter has things to say to Malcolm! Hooray!
\o/
/distributes the popcorn for the Malcolm convo
this has been my weekend tag palate cleanser, do a tag, refresh page for more drama.
Also the this I'm sorry he's weird lol. I don't actually have another immediate tag for that, I have just always been thinking I need to post the list of people and then end up doing something else every single time
Also if I ever describe Walter as manic please understand I'm not trying to diminish responsibility or trivialize anything, just, ultimately there is not a canon categorization for exactly how delusional vs amoral vs "charming and impulsive, which are traits of most serial killers" he is so this is a compromise
Everything Is Happening So Much Right Now
IT IS
Poor Malcolm. What a vacation...
He had several days of vacation more than he's ever had so....
Alright Malcolm custody of pie suggested. Hooray. Not that Malcolm is in caring about that mode, but it helps
Well, he doesn't know what Walter DID yet so he will take the pie and take care of that business. Like when Will's arm was cut off that time, he was like you have to dispose of it properly, it was part of you.
I'm so proud of Misty and the complete 180 in her reaction to being surprised with body parts
He'll probably take it out to an island and give it a proper burial.
John does not want to see the pie or be near it
He will just take it away don't worry
dispose of it with dignity but without their involvement
Walter does not have rights but "...I think if that's how they feel then maybe incineration is more merited?"
"let's not talk about what merited right now."
God I just remembered Lydia would have some kind of fucking funeral and/or conspicuous absence of a funeral. Fun!
Malcolm is not even going to ASK Walter what he thinks about this part.
disposing of the pie, I mean
Fair enough.
Alright my availability is going to be over Soon. When I get home I will try to do the Malcolm sees Misty together thread and then resume the Malcolm solo thread
CLAPPING FOR MALCOLM FINALLY BUGGING WALTER
CAT AND MOUSE GAME!!!!
he chooses to be nice but he's not stupid.
ah Jon was always glad of a tape recorder around
best stealth power
God. I could do a short tag for Malcolm that would be both funny and relevant but I am troubled by how it would be stalling
He doesn't even know what has happened yet but Walter is being weird even by Walter standards and called him wanting to meet and talk in person face to face um something is up
LOL well stalling isn't out of character for him XD
I'M AWAY MY LOVES . .
I too am proud of Misty's progress since the tongue fiasco
John's just touched you know his music taste : )
yarnzipan: the sound of a very specific angered Eldritch god
I’m just stalking all of this don’t mind me 
(Archer is pissed this incident has cost him a good dinner supervisor tho)
like legit that was just the spooky supernatural version of hearing someone scream in rage from a distance
yeah, John's leaving the kitchen
I'm on my way home and I'm glad I was willing to write off the whole day in terms of non home time but I'm also feeling well so that's good
Good!
PWM is going around so I have a lot of unreads I'll try to keep intact
if I discuss with people and it's decided the Malcolm, Arthur, Walter thread is going to happen in a pretty short amount of IC time relative to the attack, I'm probably going with "Malcolm was monitoring Walter and then Walter got hit by a rock"
But that'll be decided for real when rocks fall tomorrow
Etc
It's my turn as it is, just trying to be mentally prepared and present
i'm good now or then
I'm truly screaming to myself with this tag just now
Walter: on the barge Misty consistently claims she did one murder and not two
Walter: ... You know, because the second murder is a very special secret she shared with literally just me
Walter: on the barge Misty consistently claims she did one murder and not two
Walter: ... You know, because the second murder is a very special secret she shared with literally just me
Walter's heart is so... Uh... He's so open minded his brain fell out a bit but that counts for something
walter wants so desperately to be part of a Group
He was part of a group and then all this fuckin bullshit of being brought to the barge happened
and you died.
Which has been repeatedly proven possible to mitigate (barge revival in general, living on Flotilla for a year), blatantly not "graduate or else die or disappear" considering un disappeared characters like Erskine, or even plausible as an induced memory
Pyotr is so happy that Walter has come around to his "we didn't die, or if we did it's because the Admiral killed us and put our brains into vats and gave us fake memories" idea
though there's no evidence that that mitigation would have existed without the Barge's interference
(we know that it does in some cases but technically, given that the Barge works on changing fates, no telling)
Walter is more like... Ok if death literally is not permanent on the barge as based on my very personal, shocking, and traumatic experiences. And it's also not permanent in the context of "undisappearing"
Then where is the evidence that the admiral isn't just keeping us in stasis and torturing us all
I mean it's just what narrative serves your needs, really
and they want to see it as captivity so /gesture
He's open to the death memories being real and I think the Narrenschiff might finally push him out of VR truthing
YEAH THIS EXACTLY LOL
As in there are no pro-admiral VR truthers and no anti-admiral "barge is your only safety from death" truthers
Well Trevor is that second one but friendship ended with Trevor, Erskine is our best friend
Well Trevor is that second one but friendship ended with Trevor, Erskine is our best friend
Malcolm said what we're all thinking god bless
he has his moments 
god i am absolutely dying about how completely off-base walter's evaluation of arthur is
like 0/10 boy you couldn't have gotten it more wrong if you tried, i'm so proud
It’s ok he was wrong about Misty too XD
and Natalie!
reading people is not his strong suit it seems 
he calls himself a fucking detective, smh
Well he had to get his info from old network posts!
It’s like a game of telephone!
"had to" is doing a lot of heavy lifting on that one
Well... yeah. I mean. From his perspective.
yes yes!
The IRL interactions he had during his time on the barge are like half the ingredients
Very misused ingredients, but they're ingredients
I’m just pleased to have Malcolm in his element. Walter like okay i will relate the horrors i hath wrought and Malcolm, professional serial killer expert, like so u had to find a surrogate to cut up and bake. Obviously. As one does. Do go on.
wow, Walter, they had a whole talk about the word Monster and there you go. RUDE
Hanna, the man who's trigger word is monster, definitely thinking punching is necessary.
It's an allusion to the Halloween song
He is rattled from Music
I mean, you already betrayed a cat you scritched. Where does it end, Walter? : )
LOL malcolm
He isn’t sure Walter took all the variables into consideration here
meanwhile I've been on my phone for a while and when I finally went into my room where my laptop exists heroically realized it should be charged and not just me playing on my phone still
honestly magicom I would understand if at some point soon it was like "...ok, well, these are enough details about the situation that I can answer John and by extension Arthur. you have yourself some chocolate" and then it's like house arrest Day 2: In-depth discussion of ethics of jail edition
also I keep saying house arrest but again that is pretty much 100% your prerogative, he is his warden I place my character's life in your character's hands, that is just a stand-in for the impression I have gotten so far
pyotr banging on the door "I WANT TO SEE HIM!!!!!!!!"
HELP
PROPORTIONATE
speaking of!
Saga is finding out about shenanigans
oh BOY
I did wonder if Florian knew since Thrawn was talking about it lol...
how interested are you in doing anything there
Florian is aware and isn't getting involved. He's not happy because he likes Arthur and sees himself as looking after the man since Nathaniel is gone. But he's a warden now, and can't indulge his more petty frustrations.
well basically. I think at some point in the future there will be some kind of network post that is a centralized location for people to yell at Walter. it could be Malcolm announcing the incident. it could be Walter announcing the incident because he is in for a penny in for a pound. it could simply be a post that has a few locked prompts
such as Walter messaging Trevor about the dagger
and then can still be a gathering point for Other Yelling that would strictly speaking have been sent to Walter's inbox rather than be prompted by him but I like looking at the threads all together on a comm post because they make me happy
it's less about yelling and more about her looking INTO Walter
Such a post would be contingent on Malcolm's decision for Walter and I think that will be coming soon but probably within tonight
OH OKAY
I don't want to head down that path if you're uninterested in that kind of thing
I have narrative paths to keep her out of it
not something that needs to be answered right this moment! but she's also very close to Arthur so I wanted to check in before laying anything down in any direction there
given he has Significant Secrets and she's... literally a Seer who reveals secrets
How Many Psychic Friends That He Made Angry Does Arthur Have
A Surprising Amount For Someone This Secretive
Who Had A Breakdown Over A Threat To Read His File In A System He Consented To Enable
She didn't read his file until he consented. She even bought a safe for it.
Lark's threat haha
honestly it wasn't even about the file threat, it was the blatant lack of respect for his basic decency
like it could have just been Invading Arthur's Room Against His Will and it would've been the same intensity of reaction
which is something arthur has always been acutely aware of in his power as a warden, and actively respects
like. his bff back home was a chinese american in the 1930s, he is acutely aware of systematic oppression
I will be truly nibbling alcoholic chocolates whenever Malcolm And Walter Actually Talking reveals any info about the fight
lies down Im trying to read her powers page lmao
she is a stealth weird. pretends to be normie
tl;dr she asks your Subconscious Self questions in her Mind Palace Place, and you answer honestly. though not always straight-forwardly
and unless you are a Special Little Guy (Magic Edition) you won't notice it
Danii you're an anime can you translate. is this Persona 5
no offense to anyone else who also identifies as an anime
Im here reading the overall powers permissions page and the profiling page which is more like examples
I will try... to read the Mind Place wiki link...
I would definitely say that the remedy verse works on the same Jungian framework in many ways that Persona 5 does
ok this has a lot of additional details that are actively clutter against my attempt to understand profiling
so I am retreating to the examples
if you just want PP me with questions, I can just direct answer
so feel free to hit me up!
OK! Yeah this is a difficult decision lol
I do get the Persona 5 reference. It's... not entirely dissimilar but a little more direct.
and she's not going after your shadow self.
full disclosure for affected parties Walter genuinely has had a plan for his bad actions and subsequent scrutiny to not immediately backfire on secret group. he has a spin. for realsies. but psychic abilities this powerful would probably compromise the spin. at the same time he did do something bad and knowingly put himself at risk of psychic abilities
so I will PP you and we can talk ability questions and narrative paths lol
yeah, I realize the connections involved here and lots of people's plots!
which is why I wanted to be REAL up front and make sure I'm not stepping on anyone's toes
Alright update. I did say no. good news: bullet dodged for Walter's secrets
bad news: the actual reason is it would get in the way of the warden-inmate pairing "brainwashing"
bad news: the actual reason is it would get in the way of the warden-inmate pairing "brainwashing"
Man I also remembered again that Malcolm is recording their convo which is so much
Walter lying awake at 3 AM when he finds out that food safety is a concern on the barge now: oh no. Now movie night will have to be BYOB (bring your own bites)
FINALLY had time to read through the DNR stuff. Walter...... 
Should I try to back log Wu Xin with Walter before the mess so that he'll want to be protective of Walter when things go down?
I love how Pyotr (I think it was?) was like "any poisoning should happen now while Sebastian isn't in charge of the kitchen".
Clearly the lesson to be learned here is that Sebastian should always be in charge of the kitchen.
Clearly the lesson to be learned here is that Sebastian should always be in charge of the kitchen.
Technically it wasn't the food that was poisoned, but that it hid a weapon that contained poison.... >.>
Walter really will be freaking shocked people are worried about this only now because the drugged needle was rare but seriously, instant equalizer
WU XIN... YOU HAVE YOUR PREROGATIVE BUT PROTECTING WALTER SURE IS A LIFE CHOICE
Whatever you want to backthread is your prerogative!! It is highly welcomed!! St least now we're in October so I'm more free
narrowmybed: Sebastian should extra be in charge of the kitchen considering John Doe is freaking quitting a very important job
Sebastian should flash back to that conversation "if a warden has a special reason to be doing almost nothing, he should still sign up for kitchen and let cool people like Sebastian have his key"
I'm playing hard on catch up right now. So trying to figure things out where goes what and at what time.
BUT, Wu Xin is the type to protect people because they mean something to him and they don't seem like a horrible person. Walter doesn't seem like a horrible person and had reasons, so bad acts can be forgiven. It's not like Walter would be repeating it.... ... DOES he want to repeat it?
But he'd need to have met Walter proper in order for Walter to mean anything to the monk more than "this person talked to me before on the network"
...You know, he might make that argument to John Doe. "Officially stay on as dinner shift warden but give me the key, you know I can be trusted with it."
JD: "But then I can't sign up for another job and will have nothing to do--"
Sebastian: "That sounds like a personal problem."
Sebastian: "That sounds like a personal problem."
Will: Wu Xin, no. /facepalm/
siderealtime: Why not?
Wu Xin: Loyal to friends and bored.
Will: Sometimes people have terrible reasons for things. this is definitely one of those times. :|
Wu Xin: Yes, and that's a terrible act. But can't just let him be killed.
Malcolm to Walter: 
Archer will recruit someone else to run dinner shift! And in the meantime, if anyone harasses JD over this decision, they may suffer Archer’s….displeasure
JD is joining the commissary because he believes in working and still wants to deal with food
but he refuses to feed Walter
funny enough he joined the kitchen because he was trying to help out everyone.
like he loved the art gazebo. absolutely would have stayed there. he was trying to be helpful
...also that dinner shift also had someone who threatened and dehumanized him over nothing. so. yeah. nope. out.
he's a little over motivationless malignancy ngl
and honestly anyone who complains he'll tell to fuck off. like. he's nice and he's sweet but the number of fucks given on this one is 0.
he learned from the best
thing people usually forget because John specifically does not make a big deal of it: he spent untold lifetimes being trapped and tortured and made to be afraid. he doesn't want to be somewhere? he's not staying there
other thing is threatening Arthurs will to eat AND threatening his life is serious business to John because Arthur's pull point resets him to being literally starved. it's not just a week of toll. it's weeks after of getting him back to proper health.
he IS at some point going to ask what fuckknuckle gave him the needle though
Wen Qing ^_^ she is off being a badass somewhere else beyond anyone's Eldritch reach
confirmed multiverse canon 
he can wait
God bless Malcolm for setting up the in time for Christmas
but really the question was more making sure no WARDEN gave him that
lol can you imagine? 😆
this is Socratic method, right?
bless you, Malcolm
walter: I'll be out of here in no time!
malcolm: thank God 😑
malcolm: thank God 😑
yarnzipan: he really wants to talk to John but not before he gets to the bottom of this
sometimes we just get sick of our own inmate's bullshit
some inmates need to reach that point
Abel peaking in like what the fuck man. well. I suppose I should be glad I have Fitz. Who apparently without my knowledge is sleeping with a woman he knows gouged his eyes out because he whole heartedly is ignoring that it ever happened because he has eyes again. 
yeah Fitz is an easy one 😆
I'm good for it whenever they hit a point where you feel like he can answer : ) no worries
John has full faith in Malcolm to handle this
also Arthur, he's sorry about the needle thing. he gets it.
he has told other people as such
Arthur does have faith in Malcolm's wardening capacity, given he's graduated two Inmates now
but also 
he angy
he angy
well understandably so
Malcolm meanwhile looking at his inmate going I have met some smart people that have been wrong about stuff but you sir are playing on another level.
I'm so excited for the group thread, lmao
Majima and Florian both fit that bill, Walter ^_^
so did John Gaius
Florian literally killed someone during fourth wall network day specifically
no he didn't.
HE died
and he had already graduated at that point
he FOUGHT someone but he knew he was going to lose and ganked himself to take the kill from her
the only person Florian ever killed on board was 1. in retalliation for something that killed multiple people including him and 2. that person agreed to let him at the time
they became friends afterwards and the items he makes utilize the alchemy Envy taught him
I do love that secret movie club are like we have analyzed what we can superficially view on the network in GREAT DETAIL and can confidently say that THIS thing always happens! but really it's just a thing that happens loudly not most often 😆
it's like real life conspiracy theories
B-anon in action
Malcolm: Natalie never hurt anyone
Natalie: shot Arthur in the hand after Misty's shot missed
Well. Walter does not know that
Natalie: shot Arthur in the hand after Misty's shot missed
Well. Walter does not know that
so many things walter doesn't know
This event was fully reported to him as "Misty you shot me" and Walter really thought I guess she did probably just snap. Not morally in the black on this one but fuck it
in the HAND. if she shot him in the hand she could have shot him in the head if she wanted to. his point stands. a shot in the hand is self-defence or a warning.
It is seriously not just network lol
no they have done a lot of detectiving and I honestly am really impressed with the level of detail tinged with conspiracist batshittery that they've built. I love it.
like u guys should get an RP award. the build up, the execution. /chefs kiss
(also Malcolm doesn't know about that shooting incident with Arthur at all btw; he never heard a thing about it)
the Barge doesn't have really good accurate record-keeping and he doesn't read what they do have (the ledger) >.>
Abel mumbling about incident reports because when your Inmate pulls a crazy deep dive, you can pull out the actual detailed facts like Mmmhmm. is that what you heard?
there are incident reports when people, like, fill them out.
when they're on the Barge....
there was incident reporting for a while!
we even had a form!
Shaw does it and Saga also does it
unfortunately the archivist who spearheaded the whole thing has departed ^_^
Malcolm will do it for this one when they get back since it seems to him it's a pretty significant one.
he may even use.... dun dun dun THE INMATE LEDGER.
Arthur and John didn't report on Arthur getting shot much outside of the people who found him bleeding out
he got shot in his left hand, before John has a body, so john felt the shot in their hand, not Arthur
Arthur felt the bullet in his thigh from how it went through his hand
Every single major thing I find out Malcolm doesn't know about Misty and Natalie's time as inmates on the barge is funnier
he hung out with Natalie and Misty - usually separately - and while John likes him, Arthur doesn't so that wasn't exactly a circle he was immersed in.
not everyone spends all day with their nose pressed to the network, Walter.
sir u need to touch some grass
I think it happened before John and Malcolm were close
it was VERY early
also technically Arthur graduated without killing anyone. attacking a few people! but not killing anyone
and both attacks were retaliatory
Yes which is why Walter didn't say they have all killed
but he did say 'out of turn'
neither of those were!
Strange tried to rip his soul out against his wishes and Butcher dubconned John
he was actually thinking of the fight against Lark which has been repeatedly presented to him as, like, Lark's insane escalation but still technically a purely verbal provocation. He doesn't know about either of those other two incidents lol. He doesn't even know whether Arthur talking about dying once as an inmate was VIP event or something else
the conclusions they're drawing are definitely understandable but they're not the whole story. this place needs a bard to chronicle things properly 😆
When he saw some guy had vampired Arthur. Does that count as dying. Who knows. This place is so weird vampires am I right
LOL point
vampires, amirite? <-- a story of the Barge.
Arthur did technically die to the vampire. John can confirm
wow, Walter, victim blaming! so it's okay when a warden abuses an inmate you don't like? HMMMM
bc John can't touch Arthur while he's dead or he gets Eldritch Flashbacks to how he died
YUP
that week SUCKED
magicom: one of my early games had a like 'news broadcast' that covered public events but holy hell Nearly Impossible round here
Yes. Walter genuinely was so happy that Arthur got kicked in the balls. He knows it's wrong and terrible but he gets his chuckle where he can
Basically it's a conspiracy theory that the network being predominantly audio, no search function, etc, has various deliberate social engineering properties that are bad
Yeah, Pyotr finds it very frustrating and deliberate that information is so hard to find and also buried across all these different network posts that can't even just be read but have to be listened to and/or watched
I mean, there are resources at the library
unless you're just trying to learn gossip ^_^
Movie club members touching grass unfortunately found out about traumatic barge experiences each other had that they are reluctant to even widely share
The resources at the library aren't really comparable to like.... a newsletter
they have misgivings about the highly selective propaganda
if someone has been in a coma for a month, then the library won't explain, for example: silent hill event. they're stuck with the network
One of the big beefs the malcontents have is the barge's resources on triumvirate and NOT flotilla
I mean, there's a book in the library where people absolutely can write about those things
no one has
i've never heard of such a book
Florian put it there ages ago
https://barge-ledger.dre... /points right
Well that's like different and also separate from the triumvirate into
https://bargemods.dreamw... been there for a year
and you're welcome to write anything you want in it
hmm i will have to take a look at this later
the warden ledger was specifically for inmates to protect themselves but Florian did want to encourage lasting knowledge and a primer on the kind of shit this place pull or nature of the barge, or even 'how the fuck do you graduate'
because he found it frustrating himself
he's a scientist so he's all for more data
Honestly I thought this was specifically supposed to be the glossary and that adding anything else would be troublesome lol ......
Gomen...
Yeah, I thought too that it was meant to be something like a summary of the Barge basics similar to Erskine's pamphlet
But yeah whether through something else or through this, newsletter is possible
not something meant to be added
something meant to be added to*
nope it says in the instructions to please add things
so I'm not... really sure why?
(please read and/or add your thoughts)
even just on the outside and inside specifically says to leave your wisdom for handling this place
But yeah for now the characters have come in and seen it presented as just a glossary and see the triumvirate statements and, to the best of my knowledge, no similar library archive on most notably flotilla, and from there they have more elaborate theories like that triumvirate was a psyop haha
it's not a newsletter, no, but /shrug
Honestly this is dumb because comments weren't screened but at one point I actually thought comments were subject to approval to be edited into a coherent DW entry body that could be regarded as having a natural order to things rather than how they were chronologically added
nope!
ain't got time for that m'self ^_^
(I'm suffering in medical phone call now, pray for me...)
/prayer circle / lights candles
you can do eeeeet
To be fair, a good 50% of movie club doesn’t believe in the murder-to-graduation pipeline.
Yelena rise up and smack sense into him
Also if Walter were like, not drawing attention away from other things, he'd probably explain that they need to be close enough together or something and that's why Silver is still chilling despite the fights he's been in
It is a bit of a shame that for now he's still going to be holding back what happened to Silver and Pyotr (though the latter there's the good reason of back threading). But he just feels like you know... They're isolated and traumatized like victims of attacks in social environments
And not just "oh tell your warden 
who is an angel"
who is an angel"
Pyotr's bottom line re: murders and graduation is that if the murders were a serious obstacle to graduation, more efforts would be made to stop them.
Walter really was nerfed by God when he was made a Showtime secondary character whose canon villain monologues are like 60 seconds and not a 180 episode podcast character
also people graduating shortly after murders is a common enough phenomena that it gets remarked upon casually both during in person conversations he's had and on the network
even aside from observing, like, allan and ken kill silver and graduate
Yeah Walter has multiple other examples (Edwin, Hilbert). It's one thing to believe that being driven to a violent attack is literally the main step as Walter does in this moment, but it'll be much harder to talk him down below, like, half
o guys
Walter u promised to try trusting him as an individual buddy
Yes to clarify your warden is an angel would be more like "oh :\ Silver should have told his warden he was mistreated"
It is a shame Walters still hiding something major but he does feel like it isn't his story to tell
...is walter referencing the time Misty STABBED a librarian?
He Is Still Referring To The Tim's Tongue Incident
He has never heard anything about a librarian lmao
He has never heard anything about a librarian lmao
Even though there's lots of them to go around
YUP
that's the one!
Walter has not been able to do a totally exhaustive survey of when people went to Zero or that it was raised for even a second as an option
Ok well. He didn't know about any stabbing in this lmao
oh no, that's just me laughing
THE PEOPLE THREATENING HER WITH ZERO OVER THE NETWORK DIDN'T SAY STABBING WAS WHY EITHER...
the stabbing was something the stabbed person actually tried to minimize
and probably wasn't what was mentioned on the network
it's more 'I love how the network (the PUBLIC network) can warp the perception of events'
I think only Pagan knows that someone got stabbed
like I've seen this on other things too, where what happens in public is only like a THIRD of what's going on where there's private discussions happening
or like reminds me of that city in Egypt that like, no one knows where it's located because everyone (at the time) knew where it was so no one specified
(Tanis!)
paste because my phone is making splitting hard
Also asterisk HIS EXTREMELY LIMITED PERCEPTION OF #2 (such as that in reality supernatural knowledge was used)
Also asterisk HIS EXTREMELY LIMITED PERCEPTION OF #2 (such as that in reality supernatural knowledge was used)
you mean 1?
Everyone wants supernatural knowing until it'd be used on them ^_^
Zero was used during the VIP event, there were at least two or three people locked up.
yup!
limited visibility is a hell of a drug
Bless... More like ZYL's warning pointedly afterwards and Malcolm setting himself up to be stabbed by Hannibal instead of this option
Walter like... Mostly is like, if it's supernatural knowing across the board then oh well he'll play the chips he's dealt. but bringing it up to taunt this woman dealing with this severe secondary victimization, well, it's Savior Complex Time
Oh, Walter. that wasn't a failure to utilize the option of zero to protect himself that was he would lock Will in there (confined which is terrible for Will, away from Malcom which us terrible for Malcolm) when Hell freezes over and if anyone else wants to try it they have to go through him and if he gets a little stabbed in the process well what is a
moderate scathing in the name of love??
/scrubs face/ Christ, Walter. woooow
Walter sure has Some Ideas. Malcolm will be over here working on them 😆
It's a total crapshoot where you get a warden who reads your file, how much of your info comes out in a flood, etc
Malcolm: you know you just pissed people off right
Walter: well you can protect me!
Everyone else:
Walter: well you can protect me!
Everyone else:
But what about stopping the cycle of violence!!!
Pagan just hearing about all this later while pouring Misty a very good drink on a very nice beach
He's been killed once and injured while watching his precious one die once, you can't scare him anymore
What about not starting it in the first place
What are you going to do, put him in a slightly smaller superficially luxurious sweden style prison within the superficially luxurious Sweden style prison?
Archer is semi tempted to take a leaf out of Florian’s book but he’s just going to sit on that
True story: when Henry did a rampage and Florian and Johann were both injured, Florian altered the composition of his food so he ended up with a horrible case of the shits
...I have bad news
Walter already has IBS
Walter already has IBS
Archer caught him in the act and made him stop but also…..damn Florian for being so creative and brilliant in his revenge
it's not all about the shits! it's about fitting the person
Walter: I didn't expect "Probably wouldn't even be as bad as things that have already happened" to refer to my preexisting IBS but even the toilet has silver linings
Oh no Archer won’t do it. Bc he has very strong principles about food being Immaculate and Perfecf
...also ask Charlie Dowd. it absolutely could get worse. it won't but it could.
OH haha well. I hope this gave you a chuckle though
Walter would love to ask Charlie Dowd why he did absolutely nothing during Eric's rampage, Thrawn's arrival and test on Astarion according to the warden ledger, and why according to Collins he let the heinous butcher go free
Restrict his network access. Get all parental controls up in this bitch.
but the man has been comatose so Walter has moved on <3
oh my god child lock on Walter's communicator is genius.
lol look. Malcolm won't let anyone revenge violence Walter if he can stop it because he IS about stopping the cycle of violence (something he made Kikimora sit through a lecture on) and Walter is his responsibility, but he has at this point come up with creative ways to teach lessons to some more unruly inmates.
but he has to hear this whole batshit story first
very different question!
this guy could right now, talking like this, be in a cell next to his dad and nobody would be thinking "that's kind of harsh" so he is just trying to understand for a start.
John is 100% trusting Malcolm and trying to discourage revenge violence. because none of the people he loves should dirty their hands with this asshole.
i am just sitting here with popcorn
funny enough he's extremely mad that he did this to Misty given how he's seen Natalie and Arthur and even Misty react to reminders of their cannibalism
that is not not a part of it!
misty was SO upset people might know about it that she blew up the friendship and this is basically guaranteed to air that laundry
Walter like this is definitely a bonding ritual Misty will understand and appreciate.
Misty:
Misty:
I love how the subversive revolution club is trying to play 4D chess and are actually just digging thru the Barge's dirty laundry and flinging it out into public 😆
it's an amazing ride
Walter’s doing that.
Yeah this is fully a Walter thing. I'll let a lot of movie club slander slide but they did not approve this message
Well they knew it was gonna happen. But they did not do things
Every term used has been so prosaic. First it was secret group now it's movie club
They knew something was going to happen.
i don't think any of them guessed 'sweeney todd'
IDK how many of them knew it’d be a Sweeney Todd reenactment.
THAT TOO. I forgot when I said "well it's certainly believable to claim they didn't predict this specifically"
Walter like knew in his head that an outcome like this was very plausible but the particular aspect is hard for him to fathom. Like if he knew, back when Arthur went to her after April flood, that Arthur somehow didn't know or even infer that Misty was in the plane crash that Natalie was in, his jaw would drop
The privacy aspect I mean. Like he's definitely aware that's an aspect in which this could be bad and for which he is accountable, but the scale to which people did not know things is definitely a surprise
(Yelena’s expectation when Pyotr said he was going to do something stupid was “aw, fuck, he’s going to try a mass murder or a terrorism”, to be perfectly honest. This wasn’t just long odds, it was never even on her betting slip.)
XD Walter defies all expectations
it's especially funny for Erskine and Pyotr to be like 'not what expected' when they've been discussing poisoning him
Look, even if someone’s becoming unhinged, you expect the door frame to still be attached to the wall.
All these food safety psas then Walter taking food from his friends out of pure spite
and they use it to kill him.
It wouldn't be actively counterproductive but I can't overstate how much the child locks would not help lol. The ideas are already in there, you gotta get them out. Try providing literally any evidence this isn't a cult as opposed to "oh yeah that's a very obvious thing for you to think in this situation. Anyways"
No they just want him to be sick like in phantom thread 😇
God bless that Malcolm is from his era so Walter isn't derailed into several minutes of explaining "Swedish style prison"
Malcolm just letting less salient points slide by bc there is so much to unpack.
Vincent, the guy raised in a cult who then reconstructed the cult: it's not a fucking cult.
Malcolm just keeping it real bud
meanwhile Silver fully guessed the victim and is just like, ehh, sounds like a him problem to me
will he share this info afterwards, absolutely not
Pyotr so wanted to break Walter's legs and lock him in a cabin to prevent this that the only reason he didn't is because the ship is really really big and he just couldn't find him
(i cant think of a better ic reason sorry)
Pyotr was looking out for both Arthur and Misty too really and look what that got him
I think him just straight up warning Arthur Lester about Walter would have been plausible for what a backstabber he is, but..
Vincent: /points at Pyotr / ...that's more like it. There you go. Cult behavior.
When Walter described cults for the first time Pyotr was like "oh yeah like my revolutionary group, okay got it."
(mentally, not aloud)
Walter taking advantage of the perfect stage
He doesn't have enough experience with the modern sense of what a "cult" is for it to fully resonate with him that this is what the Barge is, though he uses the language because it clearly resonates with Walter and from what he's read it does seem to be kind of a cult (though its still very abstract)
Vincent's a cult purist
none of this new age bullshit. we're all child indoctrination, drug addiction, horrific trauma, abuse of power and financial abuse up in Silent Hill
Wardens offended on behalf of the Barge, Vincent offended on behalf of cults.
LOL
Walter from the 21st century where kid = minor, and honestly his middle guy perspective up to 21 years old or so, pointing at the fifteen year olds on the barge
Vincent and Jacob fistbump
hell yeah
"I bet you're one of those nitwits on Reddit that claim everyone is 'gaslighting' incorrectly, aren't you?"
i have not even come close to catching up with this entire plurk, so apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but yarnzipan now i desperately want for john to say to her "i'm so sorry the cannibalism thing has been more widely outed, i know how much it upsets you to have people know that about your history"
because i want her to have to explain that her actual reasons for throwing a fit about him having the file/potentially sharing file info with arthur were so much less hinged than that
LIKE MISTY USED TO BE BEFORE SHE WAS BRAINWASHED INTO ACCEPTING THE GASLIGHTING
Look, if brainwashing could actually prevent people from using "gaslighting" for any disagreement, it would be justifiable.
Re Pyotr and cults: Pyotr has a canonical interest in cults (they are called a cult on this wiki page) that were in Russia at the time like this Skoptsy - Wikipedia mainly because they were not part of the Orthodox Church and my understanding is that historically such groups tended to support rebellions
and also because Dosto thought anyone not part of the Ortho church was Bad
Yelena would agree it's not a cult. Not every group that uses isolation and trauma as an indoctrination tactic is a cult. Rectangles, squares, etc.
I'M SORRY THIS PLURK IS SO BIG. I hope to make a new one when Walter's punishment/status is decided. There is no rush on that, I just wanna say I love everyone who magnanimously got in this bar with me
Ihdreniel: he did kind of! and he's going to be very upset on her behalf if it's raised to him because he DOES feel protective of Misty's secrets
Vincent high fives Yelena
onemuon: I mean the Order definitely fucked with local politics
Walter genuinely gets that furniture moved overnight gaslit feeling on the barge sometimes, most notably when Malcolm told him that floods spared cabins, but he tries not to say that because he knows they'll laugh at him. Like Misty
He would be less attached to the term cult if it were not what Misty had said in his timeline. Honestly it's kinda debatable whether that is actually a cult or just a particularly zealous commune
Yeah Jesus hears cult talk and he just shakes his head. You kids don't even know.
The Ortho church was state religion so it makes sense the other sects would support what they thought would give more religious freedom. i think his interest in them is purely pragmatic except for when it comes to Catholics.
He would also find debate over whether the Barge is "technically" a cult quite tiresome/silly
I mean it would be because it wouldn't change any minds
and it doesnt really matter whether it is or isnt he hates it either way
walter is so fucking funny, jesus christ
"yeah he was trying to LECTURE ME about CARING WHEN PEOPLE DIED right before i tried to kill him, so gauche"
Yeah Annie's arrival death is one of the big things that radicalized him. He actually told Malcolm about it at the time
I'm sorry because he is truly a bastard but also JD slander in this chili's tonight
I just read the thread with Malcolm. Walter, why are you like this?
Why is he like this in general: a generous interpretation is that his grandmother was pretty much the only person in his comfortable little life who made him feel valued then she did an equally inexplicable murder. Of one of his grandfathers. And was sentenced to prison for 30 years
Why is he like this on the barge: I could probably write up a 11 item list
wait what is JD getting slandered for?
again?
it's more astarion slander, but blaming john for it bc He's A Warden
Walter getting character development because hey Kevyn Tan was a good person with a family. Unlike Arthur (sixteen hands materialize to hit Walter)
I cackled
Malcolm like idk did you exchange any of your least desirable personality traits for his life? Bc it seems like not.
GET HIS ASS MALCOLM
Didn’t even learn how to make a pie. Murder Grade: D-
John feels very vindicated in his faith in malcolm here
Everyone who is burdened with the task of dissuading Walter from the belief that Arthur is some kind of abuser, I'm... Sorry...
Maybe just pass the ball to Misty and take a smoke break
Walter comes to the circ desk to find Hanna has pulled this book for him to teach him that Monster is a dirty word and he needs to widen his horizons. 
JD is the kind t-rex Malcolm. Him and Arthur are good people obviously.
also wow is that... not... what happened with Collins, wow.
gonna be honest I've been so curious to find out whether Collins literally just made up Charlie freeing him because the wiki did NOT explain
Charlie didn't 'free' him. He basically just gave him the chance to help them against a bigger threat who'd fucked Collins over. That was not a get out of jail free so much as a White Collar now you're my asset situation
it's actually how Collins died.
as for the house arrest thing, Collins was flipping out because just BEFORE he died, an eldritch being literally changed his brain so that the music that he's had his whole life with him went silent. John turned it back on for him (after beating the ever loving shit out of him for what he did with the murdering) and kept him in house arrest since
he wasn't sure if Zero would turn it back off again and potentially cause the problem all over again. He didn't let Collins do anything more or less than he would in zero, it wasn't 'nicer' especially since they have a wobbly relationship, but it was 'contain him without potentially making him murderous again'
believe you me, at the time, if he could have just dropped Collins off and not looked at him for a week, he ABSOLUTELY would have.
</explaining!>
Yeah to be clear that's actually included in the list as a "positive"! in terms of "well at least someone reacted to this severe incident and the general concept of detaining a willfully dangerous person, rather than literally only doing it for Hilbert"
oh yeah
John wasn't letting him walk freely.
Walter wasn't sure of the exact reason for an alternate arrest. Lots of possible reasons, like John's own powers wouldn't reach Collins in there.
true but not for the reason Walter's probably thinking
WHICH IS ALSO WHY LIKE... When Hilbert was taken to Zero... While Malcolm was specifically convinced that he had been subjected to magical brainwashing... Walter was like... Did we not check whether Hilbert was one of the fairly common exceptions to Zero??
but yeah, Collins was not released
he was basically given dispensation to help them on a raid of a cult
he wasn't just skipping off after that
reduced sentencing, maybe but Charlie's a police detective, not a private detective
and he got his head literally exploded by not!Nyarlathotep
also an objectively funny stance when thanks to timeline shenanigans Arthur and John haven't met Collins yet outside the Barge
Yeah if emotions were running less high right now he would be sticking to the more reasonable restrictions of Charlie being the one who allegedly did this and really not believing everything a pleasure killer says
But skipping off is the whole theme of the barge so ...
omg loool
omg he completely misunderstood Collins about Charlie
God I'm so delighted by how utterly out of his way he's going to blame Arthur for literally anything
I bet he kicks puppies and steals candy from babies too
Honestly yeah in Walter's head he'd probably punch Kyouko Sakura
Malcolm like we could talk about what you think you're punishing Arthur for but it doesn't even actually matter, tbh.
Even a reduced sentence for Collins though is like... Walter is here talking to Malcolm who had the formative experience of his father killing 23 people for personal reasons (that's just the number when he was first arrested. others later). That merits life in prison no exceptions
If he really thinks the people on the barge who have killed absurd numbers of people deserve a second chance at total freedom. Something happened between point A and point B
Malcolm's mom wanted the federal death penalty but Martin's slick lawyer got him out of it and sectioned to insane asylum.
well he does absolutely think that some people who have killed were just pushed and the Barge benefits them because if they are living a better life they can and will make better choices.
but he also doesn't think pleasure killers like Dennis Collins will graduate because he's not the right Type for redemption. He's in fact pretty sure his dad would never even be brought to the Barge because he's just not redeemable.
he's literally not sorry for any murders; would murder again if not chained to a wall.
he thinks Walter can be redeemed if he gets his head 1) out of his ass and 2) on straight.
the reduced sentence is 'literally the only possibility' not necessarily what Charlie offered. We don't actually know specifically. And it was kind of a death trap situation.
I was mostly just saying that like... WOW no, that's not at all what Charlie did
and I actually meant the bit about the 10 years
Charlie was tortured by the King in Yellow for 10 years. psychological torture by a god of madness. AND DID NOT BREAK or betray his partner.
...see walter, that's friendship right there ^_^
Malcolm isn't really indifferent to the cult possibility; he just doesn't see anything to do about that. Walter's grad? he can do something about that.
Malcolm like "Yeah this is a cult. Still gotta brainwash you."
Walter and Malcolm are hopefully going to communicate on this in the future...
having to balance putting up with The Process and Malcolm pointing out gaping holes in The Process was driving him crazy and in a better world they would have eventually communicated anyway
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WALTER
YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEEEEVE
HE REALLY IS... SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING ROUGHING IT OUTSIDE THE MATRIX... FOR REAL FOR THE FIRST TIME
BUST OUTTA THE MATRIX WALTER
YOU CAN DO IT
Shia LaBeouf "Just Do It" Motivational Speech (Origi...the caps look made me imagine it like this and I'm crying. I'm sorry this is serious commentary
LOL
This is so Pyotr at Walter
Malcolm will bring up the cult thing again if Walter doesn't. just. first things first. but he would love to talk about how it is, indeed, like a cult and also how it is not at all like a cult.
yeah yeah yeah there's no drugs and financial schemes, just weird mass hallucinations and impossible world changing deals okay
and the point is to leave, which... is the opposite of the point of a cult.........
the real KEY difference.
"the point is to leave" is not how Walter sees it since so many people are "manipulated into wanting to stay"
And when they finally do leave for good they have a huge psychological dependency like the cluster in LA
Huff... I am IRL tired but WE'RE IN THE HOME STRETCH...
home stretch of the log?
or of walter's journey?
the Log! Walter has sooooo far to go.
also Walter maybe try having some psychological dependencies. we call them "friends".
The punishment
Walter is almost certainly graduating after Collins at this rate it's... It's a lot
Malcolm please invest in the technology of plane tickets <3 there, saved you a third year on the torture boat
is the LA Wolf pack a cult yeah kind of 
that's just a cult that recruited FROM the barge
and was a cult before the barge
and the cult leader took over a decade to graduate
um Walter grow up if you're going to spend several years voluntarily on the Barge, leave with an interdimensional space and time ship.
and a husband
and lots of friends
including an Eldritch god who is designing your wedding cake and gives cat and snake cuddles.
You can leave when you've been made weak and obedient and compllient
v_v
I wouldn't call Lark obedient...
but he is often hovering above demotion
Archer almost blew up the Brigantine about 2 years ago….
yeah, isnt it funny how the "accomplices" don't like being on the other side
they are so loyal to their admiral though!
Eh Archer already had a lot of mental/emotional hits before that even happened so
He wouldn’t have done that if he’d been brought on as an inmate initially
Correction: less loyal to the admiral, more like desperate to get a deal instead of being consigned back to eternity in hell
from pyotr's perspective, they all ultimately go along with the barge, so whether they do it begrudgingly like trevor or enthusiastically like malcolm makes little difference. he's sure they all have their reasons for going along with it, some more understandable than others, they're probably 'nice people' when they're not keeping others on a torture boat 
ah but that's the thing
none of THEM are
Admiral is
all they're doing is getting you OFF the boat
I'm super glad my character who had strong feelings about this is gone though
The Admiral would pick people up no matter what so
no, they are wardens: part of their job is to stop disobediences like what happened on the other ship
ships
thus "keeping them on the torture boat"
you guys feel free to jump over the side; no Warden will stop you
get off the torture boat aaannnyyy time you want.
Jon: This boat saved every single universe connected to mine, and stopped and prevented the torturing to death of 8 billion people. Sit and revolve on it, honestly.
enjoy the death u escaped by coming here.
exactly, pyotr would really rather a warden just say "50 or so inmates, most of whom are trash, isnt worth my universe" or whatever. ratehr than "ohhhhh but we're here to help youuuu. <3333 we're your friendssss"
Jon didn't think anyone was trash. But he does think 'learn how to be slightly less of an asshole' is a pretty good price to pay for that win.
Most devil's bargins are a LOT worse.
John (notice the H) would say very plainly that this is just a system that works for him. He PERSONALLY is here to help Astarion, but he doesn't believe the SYSTEM is designed to 'help Astarion'.
his main objections are that arguments like Walter's and Pyotr's are equating the system and the wardens instead of pointing out that every world/existence has a system and how you choose to engage with it is different for everyone
as i've said before, pyotr is a normie human, so all of this just looks like torture and bizarre brain experiments (breaches) that is really hard for him to believe is helping people be "less of an asshole" but he expects someone whose universe was on the line to call it something like that
I mean, John's looking at 1934 Arkham with horror and terror because the normal world is full of rules that don't make sense and aren't made for him and require things that he doesn't understand how they could possibly lead to the 'good' of 'society'. It's all perspective.
yeah, all perspective
The wardens might not stop someone jumping over the side, if we ignore the nets meant to stop people from jumping over the side, but they’ll sure as shit resurrect anyone who does.
I always feel like that's an unfortunate Doylist problem
cause I'm sure there are wardens who would, even get demoted to do it, but player wise, no one wants their game to end necessarily
“Fine, just go back to being dead then” is not an ideal argument in the first place, but when it is not, in fact, an option, it becomes an even weaker one.
yarnzipan: Yeah, it’s definitely a place where intersection of ooc mechanics and ic choices are awkward.
well people do go back to being dead all the time and when ungraduated inmates just disappear who's to say it's not because in their hearts they wanted to go back to their death so the Admiral sent them.
And not the only one, either.
I've played two inmates who legitimately wanted to be dead and it was always a little awkward
(Personally, I’d find that a fascinating short-term arc to play, given the right characters, though.)
Pyotr doesn't want to be dead but would rather be dead than go along with the Barge
yeah but he's a drama queen 
HE SURE IS
Walter doesn't actually have that much CR that has forced him to grapple with the idea of deals that save a large number of people. When that comes up it could be really interesting
Though it's also like plenty of Inmates on the boat are there because they are vampires who've killed hundreds of people or even blew up multiple planets, and reversing those things isn't a condition of their graduation
Archer’s deal got him out of an eternity of hell
A hell that was infinitely worse than the Barge has been for him
Jesus fixed a zombie virus that devastated billions
At least Walter does genuinely want to live. He might even rather stay here than rough it on the Narrenschiff. Walter doesn't really do suicide, he just does... This... Instead
Oh did Jesus get his deal now. Thought he was still working on it. Hooray
his first deal was zombies! his second one is going to be to live. he has complicated feelings about this
I'm finally on
my laptop
you do not want to know how much of the past... multiple days were NOT on my laptop
my laptop
you do not want to know how much of the past... multiple days were NOT on my laptop
I tagged pretty much all of this thread on my phone
we are literally here tagging up a storm on our respective phones and everyone else is watching the dust cloud
gotta train our thumbs up to 100 words a minute!
hilariously John is actually TALKING to the Butcher about this
because they're kind of friends in a weird way
Malcolm I am sorry you have to put up with Walter's stupid bullshit perspective but thank you for "You can feel unreasonable at injustices you see" because it really will help him calm the fuck down
It’s natural! Good, even! Cutting people up? Less so on both counts!
"starting a fight about it would be morally wrong'
but drugging him and making him a pie... a okay
lol omg I just did Malcolm's response and then came in here and that's basically what he said 😆
John will be very glad Malcolm is Handling This.
This thread is…a journey
it's amazing
Walter is old and rusty so sometimes you catch him rebooting. Restarting in Morality exists mode. Restarting in morality does NOT exist mode
/reads/ oh no, Walter, you did a LOT of damage, sir.
magic healin' aint fixing a lot of this
Maybe They Should Have Thought Of That Before Being On The Barge
BARGE DIDN'T DO IT SIR
you EXPECT the barge to do horrific stuff. Not people who scritched your ears six days ago!
Being Not On The Barge also created all of Arthur's underlying issues that Walter has now sent into overdrive. by all other measures the Barge has only been good for him
Malcolm has made a proposal for restitution, as it were.
oh my god
it's beautiful
This is becoming his niche XD
I love this because his friends are planning on poisoning him too. double whammy
if y'all are down with this honestly I think this is such a perfect explanation for Walter not posting any stupid bullshit before the wave actually happens. he was just in his room Screaming
I hope he tases their asses. "Friends". 
Earlier today I was thinking of how Pyotr was like the first person Walter told about knowing Misty because he wanted someone he trusted to shake him if he was acting weird during a flood or anything so...
Pyotr did try shaking him when he was acting weird (not during a flood) I mean he tried blackmailing him!!
yes... the error of Walter's ways...!!!!!
True friends don't let friends bond with their wardens <3
Friendship ended with X, now Y is my best friend
HE WISHES
HE WISHES!!!
Nobody likes the person that has to enforce the murder ban.
“It’s an informed choice”
Hahahahahaha my wardens would have so much to say about that
Hahahahahaha my wardens would have so much to say about that
that is not the choice they are being informed about sir
god bless the sheer number of people who are following this =
the number of characters watching this oocly with popcorn throwing kernels at the metaphorical screen
Malcolm all i don't even like Arthur but he didn't deserve that.
Malcolm and Arthur were literally like "ah yes another flood where monsters based on our memories show up" which are 100% outside of direct control so yeah Walter does think they are aware of this issue at this point
arthur is just like "this is my 9-5 at this point"
but specifically bc he's dealt with a god that literally deals in using your memories against you
yes
<3 you are wardens working on protecting the big red [FLOOD] / [NO FLOOD BECAUSE I SEE HANNA IS IN THE LOOPHOLE I PREPARED] button the admiral clearly has <3
you know what this means
Walter is gonna see the Muffin Bounce
Walter is gonna see the Muffin Bounce
(This thread is very entertaining thank you ur both awesome)
oh i do love "including his feelings", because guess what walter
arthur also feels john's feelings
also, you know fuckin what, this is one of the few things at all likely to make Walter come to think he was reading Arthur wrong. cause it is pretty hard to dislodge the "smug complacent warden" impression at this point
I am here for the slowest ever build of Malcolm finally getting 1% of professional respect as the guy that's good of thinking up nonviolent consequences for violent offenders XD
hey your little yellow bro has believed in you the whole time!
(also i find it so interesting that walter got "smug" from Arthur "quietly confident" Lester. like arthur just isn't someone who shows off much, and when he does he immediately downplays his own success)
(and even when he does pull it off it's usually more Pleased than Smug)
sorry Malcolm
he's not saying no but he is saying "here's some context from over here"
That is what he wanted from you friendo
he's trying so hard, Malcolm
he's doing god
good
and god bc he always do that XD
he WILL mention that he told Astarion and Justine as well; he's not hiding that from Malcolm. but he told them as a warning as opposed to 'request for information to give you so you can stab a jerk'
Thrawn also!!
Thrawn's going to be offered separately. that was a consultation
all different categories of thing
yes.... Astarion and Justine are.... definitely not known for stabbing anyone ever.... 
the idea that Astarion would stab anyone for ARTHUR's sake is utterly alien to him
especially since Arthur and he quarrel quite a lot. And Justine was, he will absolutely admit, an error in judgment caused by panic.
What about stabbing someone for John, who was definitely hurt too, nobody has considered for one moment suggesting otherwise....
Oh Astarion would never stab someone for HIM.
especially when he was pissed at him before they embarked on cruise
AND to be fair, only Thrawn was told the pie bit. so techically they only know what's been agreed on telling anyway.
Ok I see now that all three are mentioned in the comment. Yes good. I'm cool with all of this of course, I was just curious about whether anything was misleading
nope!
John wouldn't mislead Malcolm
magicom: one question: how would Malcolm know Justine is prone to violence?
she's only done one thing which I believe she got away with? and I don't think the Blitzø attack either has happened or is public
Astarion, sure, but Justine's got no priors on record
could we maybe edit to reflect that?
Aw sure I thought when she first arrived she alluded to it but I could be remembering one of the other ladies.
I mean, by that logic almost anyone on the barge could be seen as stabby
done
Most people on the Barge ARE pretty stabby but I fixed it.
danke danke!
I was here checking to see whether Will would have seen and shared Justine's inmate filter "should we do stabs?" post RIGHT before he graduated but I am glad this is going well for your prerogative
Especially because Astarion is a lot more relevant. Since Walter likes Justine (though I don't think Malcolm knows this) whereas he brought up "hi darlings! I just killed one of the new people!" Specifically
that was asking people to stab HER though, right?
or the one during the SH event
and again, like... talking and doing
Justine had an Inmate locked post asking people to kill her
yup, but nothing indicating she would hurt anyone
Yeah, I was thinking of the asking to stab her post. In terms of it making someone question her based on their own thought process. But everything available is certainly very different from Astarion's posts, so if the pre edited version said they were similar, then yeah, definitely worth a course correct
Yup, lumped them together.
This is also relevant to my thought process because I'm definitely going to double check a lot in terms of
* John's perspective on the thought process of worrying about Arthur being attacked meaning his knowledge of the conversations with others
* John's perspective on the thought process of worrying about Arthur being attacked meaning his knowledge of the conversations with others
* Whether limited perception of Arthur, or John, would just mean the entire threads they're involved in or Walter's just perceiving one-sided ly
So I'll probably have some kind of big writeup similar to the network binge writeup that everyone can pre approve of
I'm not sure what you mean by that first one
John knows what happened because he saw Arthur missing arm flesh and the needle in his mouth and then Arthur told him
and then what Misty told him
AH I think I'm parsing it correctly now
and i would write up what John would convey for you
I wouldn't make you discern that from existing threads
and none of that would involve the details of anyone else
just feelings and impressions
he doesn't want Walter to have the names or identities of people who care about them
because he doesn't trust Walter half as far as he can throw him
Yes! His reaction to Consequence One and Consequence Two. Though even then I still think the additional writeup on Walter's reaction to all this will still be good for people
sure, oh yeah, I'm just saying.
That bit I'll write out so you don't have to guess
I'm excited to write up consequence one from Arthur, hahah
they have codenames now
"half as far as he can throw him" is so true. he can throw pretty damn far. honestly, even if John were a human in the tall male body he uses the most, he could throw Walter pretty damn far
I guess it's actually more like consequence 1-A and consequence 1-B hehehe. do not separate them
<-- Literally Malcolm in the convo with Walter XD
Neither of my characters envy Malcolm having to deal with this
But if any explicit statement would help, just let me know. It is my turn in the threads, it can easily be incorporated
Jesus and Lark are both notable to Walter and... Yeah this won't be a pleasant awakening
He does know the dagger - he hasn't yet realized that Walter used it to carve Arthur up.
Malcolm, people can not like you personally or want to hang out and still see you as competent and trust you with your work ^_^
.........That hasn’t been his experience
also you treat John well and that matters a lot to Arthur