for those playing along at home wondering if I'm gonna coma walter: I honestly don't know

waningsunflower floofdoodle Justine and Sweeney have their places reserved in "the line" (to attack Walter for revenge on Arthur)

Aw

Just so you know though, John's already given the 'Arthur will be happy just knowing you would break someone's face for him; you don't need to do it' talk

Malcolm is bringing John his offer when i get up tomorrow

Great!

Imagine the ship flips over and Walter thinks he’s off the hook but they end up still doing it but on the island....

Given how serious everything was, there could easily be a moment when he thought that was just JD rage 2

I'm likewise mostly tapped out on tagging

Tonite

i totally forgot that this happened like, hours before the boat flipped

Me too re tagging i had to help my husband with some stuff all evening

Also my poor movie club members I promise to explain The Spin soon

Cannot WAIT to read that

I'm putting this here so people can see it but also
It would actually be very good for Walter's character development if a "NON BRAINWASHED" person took issue with his actions

reactions everyone be grateful Walter is apparently not going to post on the network and receive. #3 is Sweeney

When John is brought the offer, I can finally post that mod post comment lol

Oh I'm glad for that! Cuz again, she's not going to try and kill him or anything. She just wants his blood for a little ritual herself, please!

Yeah, Walter, share the rituals! Don’t be a ritual hog!

I also found JD telling Malcolm that Justine felt bad about the hair and now he wanted to go out of his way and use the hair. That's cute

screaming. Putting this here instead of the old plurk. But it's happening. This has truly met my wildest dreams for "Malcolm describes Walter's perspective extremely charitably, like for Kikimora but to be clear he knows Walter is much worse"

It will be very interesting to see the extent to which JD pushes back on this idea that what's needed for Walter's healing is an important factor

OH I SEE NOW
THIS IS
SO INTERESTING

It's funny because on the one hand it's basically true that this situation was SO specific that recurrence would be pretty impossible. But I mean, Walter still has the core issues that led him to do it cause otherwise he wouldn't still be an inmate. But anyway

Man, my transcript post doesn't contain the Kevyn scene. But anyway, the Kevyn scene? Is one of the longer Walter scenes we even have, especially non Misty? And he really is just like WOW... YOU'RE A DETECTIVE... I ALWAYS WISHED I COULD BE A DETECTIVE BUT I'M A CITIZEN DETECTIVE... where are my manners, would you like some hot cocoa?

And he's just using the hot cocoa to remorselessly kill him.

I'm sorry, the scritches given as he barely hides his ice black soul. It's how he is. THERE'S JUST SOMETHING VERY WRONG..

So yeah it's very reasonable to fear his duplicity. And it certainly could happen again in some other way. He's bad. He's so scary I'm sorry...

Well, Walter, Malcolm is glad to see your true psycho colours because he at least understands that!

Also, and Alex especially is going to get a kick out of this, ok so. This entire time Walter has SPECIFICALLY thought that a computer simulation is the ONLY explanation for what's happening to them, maybe individual phenomena like vampires could happen in "real life" but it's mainly how easily they're totally reset

But we joke about JD being an admiral like entity AND NOW... well... What if instead of a computer simulation, the hardware is an Eldritch god. They literally could do that.

Not necessarily JD himself is the mastermind (though hey, characters could totally speculate that some inmates are more equal than others) but in general, the admiral doing some magical simulation to them. It could literally happen.

well I think "literally' is being used pretty loosely here....

let me rephrase that. If JD and similar beings have the ability to create extremely convincing "magical simulations", that last for ten years even, then the admiral doing that to them could seem plausible to a character

Furthermore any "seams" in these "magical simulations" are not very prominent in any current understanding Walter would have

Walter do you not think it's a bit of reaching to go well my first idea for how this is a simulation has been disproven so here is a whole different idea for how it's a simulation? Like. Option 3: it's real. Occam's Razor or something.

The truth of the situation may be more like Charlie (mentioned by Collins) experienced some variety of multiple "magical simulations", which were shorter and had "seams", for a total of ten subjective years

Walter doesn't think anything that's happened so far has actively disproven computer simulation lmao. However "magical simulation" would have greater explanatory power than computer simulation, such as how the psychic invasion is so deep

maybe sometimes life is just That Fucking Weird buddy

SCREAMING... I JUST SAW ARTHUR'S REPLY

Walter did in fact think of this like hey. Hey he actually got knocked out really fast. This might not be so bad

Surprise bitch!

Arthur's so mad at Walter that Malcolm got a compliment out of it

unheard of!!

cos yeah like. Arthur recognises and respects that being a Good Warden, as in someone who is good for Your Specific Inmate, is an entirely case-by-case performance, and is unrelated to whether Arthur personally likes you, haha

he can think you're an absolute cockstain and still, begrudgingly, respect that you are doing good by your inmate

(the reason Lark has lost his respect so much is because he did bad by Arthur as his warden)

Everything is really close together, so I'm going to edit in "boarding the Narrenschiff" reaction whenever it coalesces. Walter's #1 priority is whatever Pyotr wants to do. His #2 priority is what Malcolm makes him do. His #3 priority is anything else others say. If none of these are factors, he plans to get on

This situation is certainly suspicious as fuck, but he doesn't want to stay on an island forever. Either the Cap'n is an ally of the admiral, in which case avoiding the collective is kinda pointless, or he isn't an ally of the admiral and the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Admiral esque entity is kinda literally the most imminent way to subvert the admiral. And. It's honestly kinda hard to be truly worse than the admiral in his eyes.

Well Malcolm can't track him on the narrenschiff and will also be having A Time so Walter can pretty much do what he wants.

At least until they get back to the Barge >.>

I'm talking more about initially boarding the Narrenschiff, since before then the item would still work

AH okay. Yeah, Malcolm will try to keep him close when that's going on, if only to know whether he's okay and whether he gets on the ship.

Folks I have taken a big break for my adventures today... My priority is still going to be organization of the Pie Incident log and OOC plot post incident report

ALRIGHT
incident report
Ihdreniel Maniette yarnzipan magicom cannibalherpes

if anyone has a specific thing they see missing and/or IC date they want to confirm for a certain event, let me know. the main two things under this category are "John and Arthur giving the memories" and "Trevor learning of the dagger being involved"

ALSO IVE SAID... MOST... of what I think Walter needs to say in the "all I ask of you" log.

like him saying goodbye to Misty is the main thing he has to actually say. His question of "would it be better if I was crying I'm so sorry" was the main thing left he was actually wondering after his many philosophical indulgences about how bluh bluh this is a cult, etc

aw buddy. thanks!

if/when we do the Consequences thread i'm happy for that to be in arthur's post for post-crash pre-narrenschiff, hah

sounds good. mainly trying to figure out order of things versus when he first confides in Pyotr about the incident. so maybe it will literally be like Initial Incident -> Wave -> initially confides in Pyotr and is poisoned -> Consequences 1-A and 1-B on island -> Walter (distantly monitored by Malcolm) bringing the dagger to achilles in his tent

Yeah that works; I was going to ask if you guys wanted the wave to interrupt consequence 1 and by how much

I'm happy for Cons.1A to be a few days into Island Time, just for like. maximum tension to build for Walter, lmao, but also it makes sense logistically to me that it's during a tentative quiet period

Works for me.

I have an island log if one is needed

that works! him dragging walter over to arthur and john, haha

Well he’ll be like i think it’s best to get this over with.

And steer him over.

nodnod

Malcolm is doing less well on the island than on the cruiseship and will be doing even less well on the Narrenschiff.

ditto for arthur tbh

So luckily the incident itself happened when he was peak.

/clutches Arthur’s hands

I will need to track this. For Reasons.

(the reasons are I am popcorning this whole thing like mad.)

Who isn’t, honestly? It’s the best entertainment.

right?

Folks, I've just realized something
... is the pie just left behind on the enposib

It's getting a burial at sea

lmfaooo

look as long as no other person actually eats it arthur is fine with it being fish food

I'm very sad to say the thought process which led to this

"While you're looking food for Malcolm... Look for food for Wu Xin too, aye?"

And I was thinking of Walter just lying there during all this trying not to bother anyone and just kinda starve, he is spoiled but he can just lie there, if he doesn't have any snacks with him then what happens happens
Then
WELL...

walter didn't even get to enjoy the pie for himself

i am fascinated by walter's cognitive dissonance in eating people meat himself

Well, he considered himself and Misty splitting the pie to be a reasonable possibility. But if he just eats it right then (at the moment she rejects him), that will make everyone mad and continue to not accomplish anything

That said at this point there are so many people actively waiting to get schlorped that I think Walter would get on board early to text them "it's fine. Wu Xin is also fine"

Lol Malcolm took it away right after their meetings and buried it.

So it might be crab food somewhere but not where they are XD

Alright so I'm still in a pretty non-RP mood today too. I think that today or Thursday I should be able to post the discussed Consequences starter

/clutches ur hands

Alright well thank goodness I didn't make a big TODAY, THURSDAY, IS THE DAY post, because some IRL stuff happened! Positive but AAAAAAAA!

occasionally...

"Occasionally" with perfectly regular intervals

Tom Cardy//Transcendental Cha Cha Cha - Official Mus...C/O Zelos friend
It's for the malevolent loving pals

so there is a major antagonist called Kayne who is Very Much this energy, it's fantastic

hopefully the last time I ping a huge number of people for this plot

CONSEQUENCE ONE

Maniette yarnzipan magicom

apologies for the double pings ecause some of the names overlapped and made it look wonky

Trevor doesn't really need a ping because it's a direct reply but I'm including it for those playing along at home

"Greetings wardens."

he had like at least three days and this was what he came up with

what is he gonna say, Howdy folks?

"Hello"?

eeeee can't wait to get into this tonight!!

wait this is happening after shipwreck?

I think bc the shipwreck happened like the next day.

oh this is based on Mani's statement "I'm happy for Cons.1A to be a few days into Island Time" but I do see now it was Sarah who said "I have an island log if one is needed"

ah I thought from the end of Mani's statement it'd be just before. Sorry, misunderstood. Just because this seems like... a weird thing to take time out for if people are trapped or injured?

nod, I see those are good points. Yeah my thinking was like "a few days into Island Time" makes it so the trapped part is entirely over, injuries it would depend on the person but less immediate. I have no problem moving the starter if that's what the others want, we can talk about it together

so maybe we can wait for Mani to confirm then. since likely most parties would defer to Arthur's decision?

I'm good for just before the wreck! sorry fir causing confusion, you guys are right in that it makes more sense

okadoko! for posterity because the band-aids showing through was so fun to me

moved! THIS post seemed to make the most sense chronologically

\o/ any thoughts on tag order?

I popped John in ^_^

but I can take it off if we want something different; John'd want to be first cause protecc!

I love it poor bby

I honestly did not think that far ahead lmao for now I'm just vibing

John > Arthur > Malcolm > Walter?

Ok!

with duck outs ("My character has nothing to add") or squeak ins ('Can X just say something quick?') as needed?

In terms of the Trevor starter I'm just leaving it the way it is. It was an easier time to find Trevor

Not like dancing around with a dagger the whole time but explaining to Malcolm that there's a ritual to be broken so if he could explain personally later that would be great

And we are all together in this plurk so we can communicate 💪

Arthur's on!

...John'll greet Malcolm in a moment, he's just... the seeing eye dog is currently a bit growly

And understandably so!

I'll let them answer the question before Walter actually sits down or does not do so

Arthur is not about to let Walter try and claim any more ignorance in regards to them

He DOES know that John's feelings are to be included though right? Sorry I cannot remember

was that all happening in one sitting?

I can edit! Just double checking

I mean over the course of it, like title Consequence One and then it will contain 1A and 1B. It can be broken up info chunks. John did say just now "both Arthur and I feel intensely" but that could also just refer to like John's intensity affecting the way he uses his power to convey Arthur's experience

But probably edit now is good because otherwise it Could still seem like a surprise

cool! can do

And so also I think "Arthur's claim" -> Walter acknowledges -> Malcolm reply will make sense for next section

indeed

and yes John's doing same time because their emotions aren't... entirely disentangled.

package deal

updated now!

Malcolm would have told Walter that was happening re John's feelings when he told him they accepted the proposed consequences.

also ngl we've been watching a bunch of House MD recently so Arthur with a cane in Angy mode is definitely a vibe I can see clearly

Posted! There's a notable typo/edit I got immediately afterwards

Yeah with Malcolm that makes sense too. Just making sure again

lol Walter not even close

"out of John's reach" snrk not so much

lmao...

the petty-ass tentacles are perfect

he's just being polite

Okay I have been chipping away at a thing and I think I am gonna post if it's agreed a Malcolm response does not make sense in this moment magicorn like. A full skip for one round? Walter agrees -> John wamny - Arthur reaction - Walter reaction - Malcolm reaction

But I wanted to check cause if you were working on your thing then cool

nope I was waiting

were we (danii and i) posting our wammies individually, so two replies to Walter's agreement, or one big comment from John?

yes

So the first question is whether Malcolm has to cut in before Walter's agreement according to the original J A M W thread order, or if Malcolm's good, or I guess if Malcolm could cut in after Walter's agreement

Oh ok I have an answer on that. Great. It'll go up shortly.

No you guys go for it; he will sit in his chair like a good monitor.

Second question is whether it's John wammy, Arthur reaction, or John wammy Arthur wammy. Wammy meaning description of psychic effects. Or it could even be A then J or who knows. That's the prerogative of you two then.

Mani can god John starting things (we'll work it out offline) since Arthur should go first since his experience starts first.

That's very good since I definitely think Arthur's gonna have a reaction to this

Arthur has So Many Fucking Feelings walter, you don't even know

ACTUALLY cannibalherpes Alex and I were talking and looking at this again and actually would the first talking with Pyotr on the beach taking place before Walter approached Trevor, be okay?

sure okay

Lemme edit, one sec

o\ all set

thank you!

man the Richter being swapped in is sending me. Trevor literally has so much bullshit to deal with

i know...

okay think I'm done

sorry that took Forever

think Mani's done too

Arthur's is POSTED

we both got very excited and VERY in-depth

you want a moment to respond or should I add mine?

Yo I was downstairs. Oh boy. I'll see.

I will also say I had it like
Walter: okay. It'll be Arthur's memories then John's memories. So Arthur's memories will hit me, then I'll say hit me again
But for some reason with the flow of the conversation and the souls being merged together he was like no wait screw it, it'll be a double wammy, I gotta just say hit me now

So if he just ends up slumping there like oh my god... Now I gotta say hit me again....
That could be funny. We'll see. I'm going to actually read the thing now

man
he felt
a lot of feelings

no shit buddy that's what'll happen when you're not a sociopath

so just to confirm this IS different from the version Malcolm and Arthur discussed where the memshare would accurately reflect Arthur suddenly going completely unconscious from the needle?

only in that Walter would be feeling the pain he inflicted on Arthur's body. which is part of what they discussed, and Arthur made sure to specify when he said "every inch of pain"

happily it just so happens to give the impression that he was actually conscious and just paralysed for it

Arthur told Malcolm he wanted Walter to feel the pain and Malcolm okayed it. or at least that's how I understood that thread magicom

Yes

Oh okay. Yeah I had read it like "I do think he should witness from your perspective, even if your perspective did involve being mercifully spared involves something missing". so Arthur and Malcolm both meant "the whole crime" in that sense then. that's fine

as in they meant it in the "more" sense while I assumed it was the "less" sense

"More" sense isn't really a big deal, more like I wanted to confirm it was not a change from that thread. ok!!

clarification!

also regarding the Trevor thread being edited: !!

and you want John to tag or Walter reaction?

I am working on Walter reaction in this case!

the music creates a nice little lull

I'm also losing it at the gug dislocation assuming that is Lovecraft and not a typo. the lumbering of it all.

Gug | The H.P. Lovecraft Wiki | Fandom

thank u

ALSO "it lets it" = the flesh lets the Stuff bond with the flesh?

Im sorta liveblogging the MANY MANY small details in this, it is delicious

so because of that, there are also mini questions

such as

back in the IRL where they are meeting, did Arthur get talked out of wearing the bloodstained shirt for drama. is he wearing a normal shirt now

also u spelled Tattersall with one L

I went to look it up to make sure I wasn't being Berenstein'd and I'm screaming at
this HIGH QUALITY STILL

CW MENTION OF DRUGS / SUICIDE

We also presume that Kevyn will also take the posthumous blame for Natalie’s death. They did have a romantic relationship at one point, after all. jesus christ. I've never seen this theory before since Walter didn't know about that at the time it was happening and an overdose was plausible. but he REALLY COULD.

ancillaries: yes the flesh bond with the Johnstuff

I think Arthur decided to be professional about it and not wear the bloodstains

and it was a nice shirt! John definitely fixed/cleaned it

Arthur's friends are grateful for this I'm sure

alright I've divided Arthur's Memory into about six chunks to focus on. I do not think I'll be able to write the future John's memory reaction tonight

ALSO fyi right now Im writing this like it doesnt technically warp Walter per se? so he isnt necessarily blind to the room where they are meeting, just obviously all this other stuff has much greater and unavoidable focus. but if it's supposed to totally "warp" him into place mentally away from the room, just LMK

no I was thinking it was kind of like a breach memory, overlaid

oh ok. to me it's like
1. magical simulation in real-time that totally blocks out his perception of the current environment
2. magical simulation in real-time that only dominates over his perception of the current environment
3. breach memory is a third thing where all at once, "it was already there"

so if it is supposed to be 3 then got it!

i was thinking more 2 that ends with 3.

in the sense of lingering

SPICY

it'll fade but not immediately

OKAY MY FRIENDS... I still have one major paragraph and then review SO... it is likely not happening tonight but look forward to it!

it's up

round two!

Im sorry my boy is a little bitch

I would be down to edit the fifteen seconds thing if you want but It Is Ok

nope all is good. he was watching the whole time and he WOULD pause and make sure Walter's all right

when the KiY did something like this to someone it WAS to hurt them and drive them mad. He's not going to chance harm when he promised Malcolm

Walter can respond before Malcolm does...

yes... I think Walter Reaction 2 makes sense here haha. we will see where things fall after that. I will be getting lunch first

\o/

also I am just... following my heart for the black-on-black text... if there are any specifications speak now...

follow your heart!

the reply to Arthur was So Fucking Good btw

I am glad you liked it. truly I am that person who's like I need to make SURE that they can see they read the WHOLE TAG!!!! BECAUSE I AM INCORPORATING SIMILAR DETAILS IN MY REPLY BECAUSE YOUR DETAILS WERE GOOD!! I happen to have put up my post just now. I have a few pings to make and stuff

then break. then John reaction.

seconding! lovely to read

I hope I gave you something good in John's

yes I have THOUGHTS. cause they are DIFFERENT and exciting

once again... I am like 2/3 done so I am saving what I have just to make sure...

IT'S UP

Perhaps he imagined that under Arthur's influence, Walter would nod along with a stiff upper lip, a single studious tear dripping down his face. i can't blame walter for falling for the Stiff Upper Lip persona arthur puts on but i'm still cackling

It's true

john is the LAST person who thinks arthur is emotionless, and him reacting as such is massive alarm bells

Though that section was fully two thirds omniscient narrator just in the sense of, helping provide info on reactions from John's perspective of monitoring it

it was excellent

i still love the cackling with brandy impression walter has/had

/golfclap!

I am glad the people like it I was feeling guilty because I was doing new Narrenschiff stuff first... But I really needed some time to think. John's emotions were somewhat more different from what Walter expected

And I wanted to deliver the same level of quality (both in the sense that Arthur Wammy and John Wammy were good and that Walter Reaction 1 was good)

you did brilliantly

There was also massaging the parts where I really did think he'd just be like wow... I'm in Eldritch god space... Uhhhh woah... So to make that somewhat more readable and relevant

CAUSE I WAS HONESTLY WORKING WITH LIKE
JOHN'S THOUGHTS HAVE A COLOR BACKGROUND BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY ARE TRIPPIER

oh yeah, he can only do so much to make it Normal

he is Not Normal

He's a Homestuck

hey hey now

also arthur is definitely going to arc up about "sorry the damage will last" bc walter DEFINITELY was not thinking about that before and arthur doesn't think all of this changed his mind so fast lmao

I did crack up at 'oh wow, people actually responded to John freaking out'

Got asked this so for clarification;

I wrote it similar to how I wrote the previous thread where they interacted with him as a cat. JD seems to have an ability to pick up on what people think "at" him, like this

he does!

So that's why some parts are in italics (consistent John thought speak), while others are not. Like, Walter is very emotionally exposed right now so he can try and fail to not think in a way that just really feels natural like shouting

nodnodnod

So even though John actually does have the ability to more deeply invade his mind, and even though Walter is imminently concerned about this possibility, he is also separately concerned about this surface case of the ability

that's the thing, he can't INVADE. He can't like, pluck information from his mind.

he can fuck with your senses, dreams, etc, but he can't just take information from your head

the thinking 'at' is intentional. as intentional as opening your mouth and speaking, just different

Oh okay. That line "why would he break keyfabe at this point" had me think differently

what he can get is feelings and impressions from the now. but like, he can't just go 'I want to know Walter's grandmother's name' and go delving.

the King in Yellow and his offshoots can't invade someone's mind without like
1, the mind already being broken or shaken (eg in shock)
2, by actively breaking it
or 3, being willingly let in

Still can't

john's case is more of just like. Respecting Personal Autonomy as much as it is not accidentally breaking people

Charlie was broken and he didn't give up his info

John is respectful of what he CAN pick up which is more like emotions and wants and desires and sensory stuff.

that's why he specifies to start with his name so that people are pointedly trying to reach him

So more like the ability to fuck with the dreams would in turn be a method used to make the person crack just as any method of isolation etc could be used, and in turn could fail as with Charlie

(tbf the king was also looking for information charlie just flat out didn't have, he certainly got literally everything else in charlie's mind)

but yeah sufficient willpower is usually enough to at least decently block the king, until he finds a way to make you let down your guard about it

or like. a really good emotional anchor

arthur is also special bc if the king broke arthur, he'd risk destroying john

yup. And yes, he's got lots of methods to torture information out of someone but can't just yank it out cause he wants it. and yes, had to be careful with Arthur since Arthur holding onto his other half.

he can also influence (John won't) through dreams and art towards specific aims

lovecraftian horror is fun bc there actually aren't many deities who are all-knowing, and it's weird for them to be

Hastur/the King in Yellow GIVES arcane knowledge, and provides inspiration, but like while they can know lots of factors, they can't just KNOW what you're going to do or what's in your head.

and yeah, like, they don't know because the alienness goes both ways. You don't understand them and they don't really understand you.

Arthur lives in a permanent state of Fucking Pissed, it just depends on how much of an ass you are for him to unleash it

John?

(next, I mean)

sounds good! catch the feral cat before he throws hands

Yes

there you go

CHINHANDS... I'm still getting up but hmmmmmmm!!!

at least Arthur can say he warned him now!

Malcolm: Sounds more than fair. Thanks.

Amaze

the new arthur comment lmao... it's merited because Walter did have the intrusive thought of poking him tbh

Walter there is playing with fire and there is pouring gasoline on yourself when you do it