Fired, not voluntarily

I am sad to see her go, she has been an exemplary Linden over the years. I don't understand why they let the legacy folks go. She was awesome.

I hope she at least gets a good severance package, I have no idea if they have any type of retirement package, but she was close to it.

maxwell_graf: she found out by logging in and finding herself locked out. and then her whole twitter was deleted so who knows if she gets anything. i hope she is ok

And why? Just suddenly not being able to log in again is not a good way to find out you got fired. Is that standard in the US?

Dear lord.

That's so harsh wth

Tillie California (and a lot of US states) is an "at-will employment" state. Meaning the employee and the employer can terminate employment at any time for any reason at all, unless stated in a contract that they can't, and it can't be for race/gender/sexual orientation. There are no real rules on how it happens, either.

Oh wow

people keep mentioning the fact that she was locked out of her accounts - I have been laid off in the exact same fashion, I would argue that that's pretty common for remote workers. One morning I went to log in to work, couldn't, and then my manager called me to let me know. Everyone seems to be trying to make this some conspiracy but it's likely just not

I agree. It's common because they won't want someone who just got fired to do something nuts before they go. lol

I am very not okay with any of this.

The thing about "at-will" employment is that if there is an employee manual that has language around progressive discipline, etc., that ends the at-will license to fire for no reason at all. Now, that may mean nothing in states where state government sucks and the bureau of labor works to help employers screw workers, but in states like Oregon,

like all American jobs, the nail that stands out, gets the hammer

the Bureau of Labor is on the side of employees, at least most of the time. I imagine California will also see labor law as remedial. So she may get a settlement if she pursues it. Depending on terms of firing or lay off, of course.

This is a case where leaving it to the states really screws some people because some states have disgustingly bad government.

aliciachenaux: That's the most stupid rules for employment. Only slavery is worse.

NeoBokrug: this

no notice, no access firing is also fairly common in a lot of tech jobs. the reasoning being they don't want to give you the opportunity to smuggle out or change files. it's super dickish, but they're paranoid about corporate espionage and sabotage- a lot of gaming companies do something along the same lines even for in person workers.

I would expect immediate termination of IT accounts to be the first step in termination of any position in which the employee has significant level of access. Ideally that would happen at the same time as their notification meeting, but that’s not always possible. That’s not a hostile act; it’s basic and prudent cyber security.

The employer not dealing with the termination in a professional manner is inexcusable though.

I mean, if the employer can just fire at will, this automatically causes the threat of employees possible going on a rampage. Fix the fucking laws and this is not an issue anymore.

If I get fired from today to tomorrow I would also probably angry and desperate.

But if there's a 3 month time that I can use to find a new job without having no pay in that time, I'd be way more relaxed.

The US causes all these things by itself, by hailing to the billionaires and big companies too much.

With the result of no or really bad laws.

We actually have no idea what happened and how this went down.

Exactly. We have no idea why this happened, nor do we know if she has been or will be given a severance package.

We might get a update next week according to NWN with Grumpity Linden

SparkleSkye: Laws, unions, and employee councils help a lot with that. Companies HAVE to have an employee council if there are more than 4 permanent employees, and members of the council are protected. Also your boss cannot just sack you, there a minimum of time they need to do this in advance (same for you, too).

And also depending on some things they cannot just kick you out cause they wanna. It's easier in a really small struggling company, they can say that they can't afford all employees anymore. But in larger companies it's hard to kick someone out if they didn't do anything bad.

If they want to kick you out, the employee council ALWAYS must be heard, too. And they usually have all the legal knowledge about things and will help you if it's unjustified.

Problem in the US is that that's all stuff employers do not like. And with that "money wins you the election" bullshit they can pretty much block you out if they think you are going to work against them.

In germany, donations for elections are quite some restricted, the parties get money from the government based on their size, so promote themselves.

They ARE possible. But right now if they are 35,000 euros or more, they need to get published, There is a list right here.Deutscher Bundestag - Parteispenden über 35.000 € - ...

And if you look at it, it's not that many donations.

This prompted me to check with my employer (not in the US) and they can (and should be able to) let me go at any time with zero warning. They would, however, also give me a month's pay for every year that I've worked there up to a maximum of 18 months and pay my benefits for that time as well. That seems like a reasonable approach.