not sure who picked up who's stupidity : elon musk picking up trump's logic or the other way around.

ukifuneritsu: feathers of a bird together flock

faramond:

faramond: sadly you can't see the bird unless you use AI with low light sensitivity cameras

chaosghost: I'll show you my bird. wait NO!!!

Not my bird, but a bird nevertheless:

i mean those cameras can zoom in to like 20 miles, supposedly, so there's a chance yours might be seen.

chaosghost: Well, mine probably requires a microscope.

(which is why elon is a dumbass. missiles have been killing beyond visual range since like the 1970s lol)

and if it's within visual range, it's probably moving too fast relative to the observer?

i know nothing about such things tho, so maybe there's a way to visually identify a stealth fighter if it's within visual range?

nah stealth fighters you can visually see can't still be seen in radar, and if you get that close anyway it's cuz your side did something right or the enemy did something wrong.
or the f35 is trolling. lol

i guess you can launch an IR missile and hope it locks on to the exhaust? but again stealth fighters just launch their missiles at max range and go home without you ever knowing they were there

Oh, I was thinking someone on the ground with a pair of binoculars (with something like anti-aircraft cannon in camouflage nearby)

My lack of knowledge in this area is really showing

Funnily enough faramond you're not far off the mark. There is the famous shooting down of an F-117 Nighthawk by a Yugoslav anti-air battery where basically the commander memorized the routes of the bomber doing its nightly mission and just shot at where he expected the plane to be and got it1999 F-117A shootdown - Wikipedia

Needless to say the US Air Force learned not to be complacent just cuz they're got stealth magic on their side

How a Nighthawk Was Shot Downyarnhub did a dramatization of it, because it's one of the cooler stories of modern war.

chaosghost: So that's less of an on-the-spot ID and tracking (by a person) but more of a culmination of several observations and noting the track. Still quite a feat tho!

and just like with many stories of American military veterans, the pilot found the commander who shot him down after the war and became friends with him

Also when the bomb doors open is when it's able to be seen so there's still a vulnerability there. I guess for a fighter that means the missile bay doors opening is not as much of a vulnerability cuz that implies they've already fired at you

I'm forming a mental map now of how Melonia Muskrat might be correct: first, collect enough observations of a stealth fighter jet (assuming it's the same one, and not different ones that are part of a swarm). then using AI™, come up with the most likely track. once ready, fire towards the predicted location.

the first step is essential tho: collect enough observations!

Nah the trick is having access to AWACS radio chatter and make an algorithm on how that particular operator directs traffic and go from there

Oh! that's easier nga!

but yeah the main problem is that to even use cameras imply already knowing something is already there.
And stealth fighters only announce themselves after blowing up their targets

from 100+ miles away

checks AIM-120 stats
range: 57–65 nmi (105–120 km); AIM-120D 86–97 nmi (160–180 km)

checks the replacement AIM-260 JATM stats
"The exact range of the JATM is classified, as is that of its predecessor the AIM-120D-3 variant of the AMRAAM, but defense analysts expect it to outrange the AIM-120D-3 with a range of at least 100+ miles." WELL FUCK

So basically, you need to be expecting a stealth fighter jet to be somewhere in the area you'd be pointing the camera, right?
Wouldn't that be the point of building up the observations (either visual observation, radio chatter, or something else)?

Yeah but again it's a stealth fighter. By the time you get those observations you might not even have an air force or even anti-air ground defenses anymore

Ayun lang!

So yeah~ even if we assume there's a way the blood emerald princess is correct, for all intents and purposes, it's irrelevant. durog na defenses mo by the time you're made enough observations to make a good prediction.

and that's with the shit the air force lets us know about. The top secret stuff they have is probably going to be even more bonkers

they've seen the plot of ace combat 7 and were like: "Yeah drone carriers are cool as fuck*US drone swarm program could redefine modern war - A...

Though to be fair, everyone's making drone programs after seeing how effective they are in the current Ukraine war

stealth air drone carrier launching stealth drones launching stealth missiles. Jesus

chaosghost: No no no! At this point, Jesus has already left the chat (to prepare the heavens, I suppose? )

If he goes he'll find drones already blew open the gates

Oh that reminded me of that science fiction story where Heaven announced they're full and that everyone on Earth is going to Hell so the entire Earth declared war on heaven and hell.
Filipino Scout Rangers were the first to heaven's gates, cuz they scouted ahead of the americans lol

akala ko kasi may mga DH na dun and already did the intelligence work.

https://tvtropes.org/... Oh right it's this one. Aw, the author died in 2020 so the entire thing's unfinished. Sad.

I remember reading up until the liberation of Heaven

oh yeah that's where the story ended