GoingPostal says
16 years ago
"Who pays the business tax anyway? We do! You can’t tax business. Business doesn’t pay taxes. It collects taxes." Ronald Reagan
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jevvim thinks
16 years ago
by that logic, businesses don't earn profits either, they just impose private taxes on citizens.
GoingPostal says
16 years ago
Nope. Profits they keep.
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jevvim says
16 years ago
but those "profits", who controls how much they make? The companies do, by setting their own "private tax" on their products.
jevvim is
16 years ago
just discussing the topic within your chosen Reagan framework.
GoingPostal says
16 years ago
You don't have to buy the product or service. You do have to pay the tax.
jevvim says
16 years ago
now you're not even consistent with your own argument!
jevvim thinks
16 years ago
if business just collects taxes, then not buying a product means you don't have to pay the tax, either.
jevvim is
16 years ago
trying to point out that for normal, elastic goods, business cannot raise prices arbitrarily, which means that business can be taxed.
jevvim says
16 years ago
in an inelastic market, yes, business would just pass taxes through.
GoingPostal says
16 years ago
Business passes the tax onto YOU, they don't take it from their own profits.
jevvim
16 years ago
adds that most markets are competitive, and as long as the market is profitable, competition will lead to taxes not being passed through.
jevvim says
16 years ago
if business just "collects taxes", then their markets aren't competitive.
jevvim thinks
16 years ago
if markets aren't competitive, then you should ask why they aren't.
jevvim says
16 years ago
some markets are government-granted monopolies, or have been: utilities are a great example.
jevvim thinks
16 years ago
for any other business, though, the apparent pass-through of taxes suggests an oligarchy of price manipulation.
jevvim
16 years ago
points to the cellular phone carriers as a potential oligarchy where Reagan's principle probably is correct.
jevvim thinks
16 years ago
the right answer, though, is not to avoid taxing of business but to ensure the marketplace is competitive.
jevvim
16 years ago
realizes that in the above comments he should have used "oligopoly" and not "oligarchy".
GoingPostal says
16 years ago
So you think when a business in a competitive industry is taxed more, they just eat it?
jevvim says
16 years ago
not because they want to earn less profit, but because others may choose to leave their prices unchanged and increase their share.
jevvim says
16 years ago
when all of the players pass the tax through, that suggests an oligopoly or collusion in the industry.
GoingPostal says
16 years ago
...but not for long. Certainly competition drives down prices, but not forever.
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