GoingPostal says
2008-11-05T16:41:00.000Z
"Who pays the business tax anyway? We do! You can’t tax business. Business doesn’t pay taxes. It collects taxes." Ronald Reagan
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GoingPostal shares
2008-11-05T16:49:14.000Z
jevvim thinks
2008-11-05T19:45:18.000Z
by that logic, businesses don't earn profits either, they just impose private taxes on citizens.
GoingPostal says
2008-11-05T19:54:56.000Z
Nope. Profits they keep.
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jevvim says
2008-11-05T19:59:55.000Z
but those "profits", who controls how much they make? The companies do, by setting their own "private tax" on their products.
jevvim is
2008-11-05T20:01:17.000Z
just discussing the topic within your chosen Reagan framework.
GoingPostal says
2008-11-05T20:21:23.000Z
You don't have to buy the product or service. You do have to pay the tax.
jevvim says
2008-11-05T20:30:29.000Z
now you're not even consistent with your own argument!
jevvim thinks
2008-11-05T20:30:48.000Z
if business just collects taxes, then not buying a product means you don't have to pay the tax, either.
jevvim is
2008-11-05T20:31:47.000Z
trying to point out that for normal, elastic goods, business cannot raise prices arbitrarily, which means that business can be taxed.
jevvim says
2008-11-05T20:32:06.000Z
in an inelastic market, yes, business would just pass taxes through.
GoingPostal says
2008-11-05T20:32:24.000Z
Business passes the tax onto YOU, they don't take it from their own profits.
jevvim
2008-11-05T20:32:40.000Z
adds that most markets are competitive, and as long as the market is profitable, competition will lead to taxes not being passed through.
jevvim says
2008-11-05T20:33:02.000Z
if business just "collects taxes", then their markets aren't competitive.
jevvim thinks
2008-11-05T20:33:20.000Z
if markets aren't competitive, then you should ask why they aren't.
jevvim says
2008-11-05T20:33:35.000Z
some markets are government-granted monopolies, or have been: utilities are a great example.
jevvim thinks
2008-11-05T20:34:13.000Z
for any other business, though, the apparent pass-through of taxes suggests an oligarchy of price manipulation.
jevvim
2008-11-05T20:34:39.000Z
points to the cellular phone carriers as a potential oligarchy where Reagan's principle probably is correct.
jevvim thinks
2008-11-05T20:34:55.000Z
the right answer, though, is not to avoid taxing of business but to ensure the marketplace is competitive.
jevvim
2008-11-05T20:40:02.000Z
realizes that in the above comments he should have used "oligopoly" and not "oligarchy".
GoingPostal says
2008-11-05T20:40:49.000Z
So you think when a business in a competitive industry is taxed more, they just eat it?
jevvim says
2008-11-05T20:44:35.000Z
not because they want to earn less profit, but because others may choose to leave their prices unchanged and increase their share.
jevvim says
2008-11-05T20:45:21.000Z
when all of the players pass the tax through, that suggests an oligopoly or collusion in the industry.
GoingPostal says
2008-11-05T20:47:38.000Z
...but not for long. Certainly competition drives down prices, but not forever.
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