Can anyone tell me the actual canon about her and Emmerich? I wasn't paying attention to PW (don't like the PSP style games...) and I've forgotten everything and I'm getting pissed off.

Huey was kind of in love with her but never had the guts to confess I think

She's been outright disgusted by the idea of being with a man the whole game, you couldn't talk twice to her without her bringing up something about how much of a lesbian she is...

but she's utterly uninterested basically because she's a lesbian

but then at the end she said something about how Huey could "walk with her" if he tried hard enough??

I don't remember the wording but there's scripts around

oh yeah i kind of interpreted that as a friendship thing though?? idk that might have just been me ignoring other meanings because they would have been a huge break in character :/

however I'll say I can buy the idea of her maybe being a surrogate for Huey's child as a gesture of friendship. But being with him in any sort of romantic capacity? nooooope...

I've been seeing stories of women who would get pregnant for friends who want kids and so on, I could see her maybe doing that for him. Possibly. And then he'd wind up with Emma's mother...

but with how much she emphasized over and over how much of a lesbian she is the whole game.... yeah no she wouldn't date Huey

I remember her being pretty... anti-men, but I thought she'd been treated badly by them as well, so I wasn't ever sure if I should read that as "I'm a lesbian." or "I have a very strong preferance for women -c-

and got abused for it."

since Huey threw me for a loop =|

grumbles can it's just be laid down for me.

Strangelove just tell me XD

she outright confirmed she's a lesbian in a number of conversations

Right

good

okay

well in one of Paz's diary tapes I seem to remember her describing how Strangelove comes onto her

and yeah it's pretty much open about her homosexuality

the reason she named herself "Strangelove" was because people were making fun of her for having a picture of a woman on her desk-- for having a strange love-interest

and she just kinda turned the insult into her name because she took it as a compliment

Yeah I remember that but that's not a confirmation on being lesbian, just liking women.
I lost my rag with PW so I missed so much shit. Ugh.
I don't like to presume anything on this I really don't...

I would

used to be my Username on a different site

unconnected to her though

I hope she appears again to clear up this mess with Huey at the end of the game though =S

I don't care which way it goes, I just want people to stop arguing about it on my dash...

hang on I'll go into the script, she did confirm it

also she'd say things like "naked men are NOT my cup of tea" in codec

XD I think I remember that one...
I'm getting tired of this, I really like Strangelove, but this crap is getting old, all because of one bloody line to Huey...

it was a pretty confusing line, but I can't ignore all her proclamations about her sexuality made before that line...

Exactly =S but with implied or borderline bisexuality so common people keep jumping on that, when tbh I was perfectly happy with things before that line and this just muddied the waters...

(I'll admit to likely the concept of her being Hal's mum, but mostly because of the idea of Ocelot finding out and dropping creepy hints about their mothers on Shadow Moses... which isn't really a ship

just a crack idea...)

heheh

like I said I can get behind the idea of her having his child out of friendship at least

like maybe Huey just really wanted a kid

Yeah, or wanting a kid and choosing him as someone she likes and wouldn't mind having around the place...

Ha ha I always took it as a token expression of friendship but it's said in such a snide manner it's almost a double bladed token.

But not 'having a kid as an extension of a romance'.

I only like those who can stand on their own.

Huey looks down at his crippled legs FORLORNLY

If you fancy me, then come walk with me.

God yes, though as annoying a Huey is to me, he's trying, I mean he built some freaking legs XD

He tried so hard.

Love is blind, after all. Probably just relating to him that she knows what a broken heart feels like, not necessarily that she wants to be the one to heal him of it.

Yeah =<
I liked them as friends, it's not something you see enough of male/female friendships...

And brokenhearts are great bonding tools...

Anyway it's midnight I should be asleep not grumbling about lesbian debates... Good night all.

sleep well!

Night!

nightooo

k i think the problem here is just shitty homophobic writing

which is the kind of reason why i want to love strangelove but can't

her story arc is full of dumb homophobic tropes

old, boring ones

eg - that she's creeping on Paz and Cecile because that is what lesbians do i guess? that 'lesbian' is a negative identity based on hating men rather than on exclusively loving women

and that all lesbians need is the right man and then they just turn straight! because they never really liked women to begin with, you see, just resorted to women because they hated men

the BEST spin i can put on this, headcanonwise, is that Strangelove is a 70s lesbian-feminist who identifies as lesbian for political reasons rather than as an identity - because, people like that legit existed

(and still do, try as we might to troll them all out of the dating pool)

the reason that works for me is partly her identification with Turing, as an outsider scientist who was queer

that was a childhood thing - ie. pre-sexual

i frankly assume that canonically Strangelove/Huey is a thing, and i think they did stay together, because iirc there is some canon somewhere about Hal's mother dying when he was young?

though I really like the idea of their domestic life being based on friendship rather than romance! that works. but i do think she's straight-up bisexual, NOT a lesbian as we would use the term

but the REASON for this is that PW completely sucks at being actually lesbian-friendly. it is a game written by and for straight dudes and is barely even trying.

sigh, MGS, i wish you were better at this than you really are.

...and it is STILL better than 99% of all videogames

better at being gay, i mean

like, i love all the stuff about Turing and i love the whole Strangelove/Boss love story. why does it have to ruin itself with failtropes too :/ is it because half the writing team never got the memo? idk

wow interesting points, I hadn't thought of it that way

It's too bad that good gay writing is so hard to find, especially from Japan.

Homosexuality is almost always viewed as a joke in Japanese media, so I had been maybe too relieved that Strangelove seemed to be handled more seriously-- particularly when she talked about The Boss.

Maybe MGS5 will shape up a bit, since there seems to be more gay content in each installment... who knows.

I think with bad writing likely, even if someone is trying (I remember trying quite hard as a youngster burbling my way through awful yaoi fics...) they can screw up, and they're also trying to appeal to a wide

demographic and not drive off any potential buyers.

They are trying to make moneys after all, and look how some people react to even partially-canon hints of their favourite character being interested in someone of the same sex.

If Strangelove is still with us, maybe she'll get some better writing.
I've been trying to remember if Hal implied that his parents were married? I thought he said his father re-married...

But Huey wasn't that stable, maybe Hal doesn't know the stroy.

I'm liking the headcanon of Huey being the donating-father but not in a more sexual/romantic relatinoship and just being more than willing to look after Hal after Strangelove died.

I just wish there were less tropes.

Don't mind the hitting on Paz thing too much, since Kaz was joining in on that and I like to think it's the one thing they got along over, even if it was just winding other people up XD

yeah, I appreciate how MGS has got more and more openly gay as the series has gone on - just starting from vague innuendo moments like Fox's moaning, escalating to beachsex and Turing fangirling

and right, i can see how much of it has been a joke, like Volgin/Raikov :/

o japan