srah
10 years ago
latin is a really cute language
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srah
10 years ago
they called R the littera canina, because it was rolled in a way that sounded like a dog's snarl
srah
10 years ago
another latin dog fact
srah
10 years ago
the dominican monks were like the hardcore vigilantes of the monk world, super duper mean
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srah
10 years ago
named for st dominic, in Latin Dominicanus
srah
10 years ago
but they were often referred to as Domini canes - the hounds of the lord
srah
10 years ago
medieval puns
srah
10 years ago
latin is so heavily inflected that (for purposes of meaning) word order is completely unnecessary
srah
10 years ago
i.e. the sentence "dog bites man" can be composed any of the following ways in latin and still mean "the dog bites the man"
srah
10 years ago
dog bites man, man bites dog, dog man bites, man dog bites, bites man dog, bites dog man
srah
10 years ago
there are of course conventions, & metrical considerations
srah
10 years ago
speaking of scansion, latin uses mācrōns to indicate syllable length; its literal length, though. you spend longer saying that vowel
srah
10 years ago
macrons are really only important for spoken latin, scansion, and very rarely for meaning; for example, malus = evil, but mālus = apple tree
srah
10 years ago
so macrons arent typically given any notice in elementary latin
srah
10 years ago
this is in stark contrast to, say, german diacritics, which function as completely separate letters & phonemes and are indispensable to meaning and pronunciation
srah
10 years ago
and in slight contrast to greek, which i think is really charming because its accents mark every word's stressed syllable; its just a cute very helpful addition
srah
10 years ago
and especially charming is the fact that people write the stress mark out in handwritten greek
srah
10 years ago
i dont know what its called though, and im talking about modern greek, and im barely literate in even that
srah
10 years ago
obviously the various ancient greeks have a ton of shit going on as far as metrical diacritics
srah
10 years ago
another interesting greek... punctuation? diacritic?
srah is
10 years ago
the "breathing mark" (once again dont know the greek word), sometimes at the beginning of words that begin with vowels, to indicate a sort of breathy h sound
srah
10 years ago
its super neat because when romanized it's just "h"
srah
10 years ago
so words like sun, helios, are actually 'elios
srah
10 years ago
blood, hema, 'ema
srah
10 years ago
latin and greek are so different in terms of their orthography
srah
10 years ago
latin is very very easy and straightforward, you basically just pronounce every single letter in a given word; the graphemes and phonemes correspond extremely simply, its basically 1:1
srah
10 years ago
greek is massively difficult in that respect, especially with its diphthongs
srah
10 years ago
it has three "i" letters in its alphabet, and more diphthongs that also make that sound
srah
10 years ago
multiple o's (omega and omicron-- big O and little O :-)
srah
10 years ago
etc etc its baffling
srah
10 years ago
one exasperating but cute letter is u, upsilon
srah
10 years ago
it makes the "ee" sound-- but occasionally, when its placed after another vowel, it becomes an "f"!!
srah
10 years ago
whaaaat
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10 years ago
i know
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10 years ago
bananas
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10 years ago
so words like "auto" are actually pronounced "afto" in the greek
srah
10 years ago
do you know a really terrible one? zeus
srah
10 years ago
zeffs sounds stupid as hell
srah
10 years ago
"television" and "homosexual" are both half greek, half latin, and made purist classicists so angry back in the day
srah
10 years ago
speaking of which silly prescriptivism, i have a pet peeve along those lines
srah
10 years ago
pluralizing -us into -i (syllabus, syllabi) is a latin convention; octopus is a greek word!
srah
10 years ago
smfh at "octopi"!!!!!
srah
10 years ago
im afraid its octopuses! but if you really want to be a smartass, adjust your pocket protector and say "octopodes"
srah
10 years ago
but please dont, youll look like an asshole
srah
10 years ago
what other wisdom can i impart
srah
10 years ago
some languages have separate 1st person plural pronouns ("we") to indicate inclusion of the speaker or exclusion, i think thats really cool
srah
10 years ago
oh heres a cute german thing!
srah
10 years ago
in german, all nouns are gendered, masculine feminine or neuter
srah
10 years ago
car is masculine - der Wagen
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10 years ago
motorcycle is neuter - das Motorrad
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10 years ago
so if someone were to refer to a vehicle as "the Honda," you would know if it's a bike or a car by which pronoun they used
srah
10 years ago
der Honda, or das Honda
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10 years ago
I HAVE MORE
srah
10 years ago
children/people whose first language is tonal, e.g. mandarin or cantonese, are far more likely to have perfect pitch
srah
10 years ago
lets move on to psycholinguistics, i know a couple cool things about that
srah
10 years ago
there was a study where speakers of gendered languages (spanish and german, i believe) were asked to describe certain objects
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10 years ago
the objects were grammatically feminine in one language, and masculine in the other
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10 years ago
e.g. bridge: die Brücke, el puente
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10 years ago
when the subjects were asked to describe or name the objects, they tended to use masculine/feminine language according to the grammatical gender
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10 years ago
the german bridge was beautiful; the spanish bridge was sturdy
srah
10 years ago
anthropomorphized objects in childrens books in gendered languages typically are gendered in accordance with their grammatical gender
srah
10 years ago
https://kb.osu.edu/dspac... here's that study
srah
10 years ago
this one is pretty well known i think, but its still super neat
srah
10 years ago
when asked to name which object was "kiki" and which was "bouba," english & tamil speakers overwhelmingly named the pointy one kiki and the rounded one bouba
srah
10 years ago
i do not have the cot/caught distinction; i pronounce them both the same way
srah
10 years ago
hmmm
srah
10 years ago
oh i can tell the story of how the english language got such a ridiculous amount of french in it
srah
10 years ago
when william of normandy invaded & conquered england in 1066, he replaced the majority of the government officials & processes with his own
srah
10 years ago
and, being from normandy, his people spoke old french, not old english
srah
10 years ago
he was quite smart about not subjugating the english too extensively though, because they were his new infrastructure
srah
10 years ago
anyway over the course of a century or two, england's state affairs were all conducted in french; when the english sort of assimilated them and regained their political clout
srah
10 years ago
well, BY that time, english had become the language of talking about cows and shit
srah
10 years ago
it just didnt have the vocab to talk about high falutin things like affairs of state
srah
10 years ago
so it had to incorporate a huge amount of french, which did! and that is the story of how old english became middle english
srah
10 years ago
and speaking of cows, this incidentally is why our livestock words (cow, chicken, etc) are germanic in origin, but the food equivalents (beef, poultry) are french
srah
10 years ago
french was the language of nobility, so when the english became nobles again they had to adopt it too
srah
10 years ago
i think thats all my anecdotes for now
full homo
10 years ago
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srah
10 years ago
my latin teacher in high school got his degree in iceland, because he really loved icelandic?? he was so fucking weird and great i loved him
srah
10 years ago
the endonym for iceland is something like Island
srah
10 years ago
"Is" meaning ice
srah
10 years ago
but it also means ice cream in modern icelandic
srah
10 years ago
so once my teacher in iceland was like "LOL ice cream land huh? ;-)? sounds great ;-)"
srah
10 years ago
and they were like "oh... no... its 'ice' in that context"
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10 years ago
"ICEland"
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10 years ago
"not ice cream land"
srah
10 years ago
and he was like "plrbfb"
srah
10 years ago
iceland: great at parties
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