from reading, i gather just circumspect
Probably too shocked to know what to write. I mean this required a major shift in the Narrative.
did her narrative shift?
Im talking about the group, not the individual
But no, I dont expect the Narrative to change. It will be adhered to no matter what.
you specifically referred to the author herself being shocked to know what to write
most feminists don't want to break alliances with the marginalised. its a tactical error
re: Cologne, something similar happened in Orchard Road New Year's day a few years back. Blogger Xia Xue started an advocacy because of that
Xiaxue.blogspot.com - Everyone's reading it.: Ladies... cvj Nope. Author referred to 'feminists'. I opined feminists too shocked bec it's a shock to the Narrative.
i see, you mean the rest of the feminists besides the author herself
Feminists as a group, yes.
Ah, you consider her an exception to the majority/prevalent view
No. Not really. It's an individual's view purporting to write for a group.
Which doesn't convince you to update your priors, fair enough
How are my priors relevant to this?
And btw, what are my priors?
ive been to little india on a sunday before
it can feel quite intimidating, some were drunk (this was before the riot)....and im a pretty big woman. can't imagine if you're some rail-thin local girl
What's this capital-N narrative? 
that immigrants as a group are rapey (moreso than the European whites)
Is that what Jego is referring to?
thecityforever as i understand it, Progressives are known to fetishize their worldview aka Narrative over facts, but maybe Jego can explain better
Because the narrative that immigrants are rape-y wouldn't be "fetishized" by feminists.
The Narrative is that we're all the same. Cultural, religious, racial differences are not really important.
That's not a feminist Narrative, just a feminist narrative. And it's largely outdated.
It's Progressive, not feminist. Feminists have a variant: there are no gender differences. Like e.g. there are few women civil engineers bec oppression by men. Things like that.
^ Again, a long-outdated POV. Contemporary feminists don't want to ignore or erase difference.
Neither progressive nor feminist thought is monolithic and unchanging.
That's true of all ideologies I suppose. As to its being outdated, I dont know. It's pretty much still around. (Not monolithic, remember?) Around and hogging the internet.
Taking Jeg's PoV as i understand it, the Progressives kumbaya worldview prevented them from anticipating the Cologne attacks (and the rape epidemic in Sweden)
By outdated, I don't mean it's dead, just insufficiently nuanced to the demands of the present. But the Internet is, at best, an unreliable yardstick for any sort of thought system.
thecityforever I think the internet crowd is a pretty reliable yardstick is shaping the culture, if not the thought system. More so than academia, e.g. The 'stars' of the internet dont have PhDs.
Were they supposed to predict sexual violence from immigrants? Is that a reasonable expectation?
thecityforever: In a way, yes. The phenomenon is not unknown. The attacks on woman during the Arab spring, e.g. And the sheer volume of migrants meant they werent going to be able to control them.
I'm not saying the academe is necessarily more reliable. No single venue can be adequately representative.
Sexual violence isn't specific to migration, Middle Eastern/Arabic culture, maleness, or heterosexuality.
Besides, in the Internet, we can choose to fight the opposing school of thought at the appropriate level of weakness
thecityforever: What happened was a perfect storm. Mass migration from cultures that treat women like second-class humans coming face to face with a sexually liberal culture.
Imagine an unmarried Arab encountering a woman in a tank top. Imagine gangs of them. And authorities refusing to confront this dynamic and indeed covers up instances of sexual abuse so as not the be accused...
... of racism.
Jego is describing the rape-y part
Yep. Sexual violence is rape-y. 
Perfect STorm contributes to the narrative that "We have to cordon off the Cologne attacks; erect a little white tent around the crime scene and give thanks that we are safely outside it."
the oppposing narrative that is
if the men were white Christian (post-Christian), there would have been no religion or culture factored into the discussion
I submit if the situation were reversed and men from a liberal culture were to migrate in droves, this never would have happened. We wouldnt be speaking of mass assaults of women in Tripoli.
its not the first time that white people have justified the use of violence against brown men to save white and brown women from them
caffeinesparks: Nobody is suggesting violence yet (at the state level). But Im afraid if this isnt addressed, that's what theyll get.
there are many reports of white soldiers who rape girls in africa and the middle east Jego . and don't forget all the white pedo sex tourists
and all the white pedos on the internet
who prey on filipino kids
caffeinesparks: Im talking migrants. Economic migrants and refugees
Who was supposed to have forewarned against French UN peacekeepers sexually abusing North African boys and girls? US college campus rapes? Silvio Berlusconi paying to have sex with an underage girl, AKA rape?
The you-too defense is not going to help.
What about white Islamic State militants who migrated from their more liberal cultures in order to own Yazidi sex slaves?
my sense is that migrants moving from highly repressed and repressive cultures to liberal ones would experience a 'vacuum' of sorts. where they won't know how to behave because the usual norms that structure
thecityforever: Those were mostly non-white, and obviously they didnt assimilate. They formed communities that resisted liberalism
behaviour are all gone. those who are more adventurous would push limits. it might be a function of personality more than 'culture' writ large
Jego It's fair to point out that sexual violence isn't produced by just one set of factors. There is more than one "perfect storm".
my feeling is that europeans or americans moving to the third world would probably do the same....they would push limits and norms - not necessarily to do with women
like - break the law. embezzle. smuggle. set up cybersex dens.
behaviour is governed by different codes w/c vary from place to place. i think the culture clash happens when the codes governing X phenomenon (e.g. how to deal w/ women) are vastly different
All Im saying if the the migrants in Europe (the real, non-theoretical ones) were from a liberal culture, the rape-y stuff wouldnt have happened. The fact is they arent, and it did.
Of course mass migration of Germans to the PH say would have its own problems. But it won't involve mass rape-y stuff.
not mass rapey stuff. could be other deviant behaviour
ive seen too many white men in singapore take full advantage of their white privilege
cvj: Was that where Americans fleeing war and poverty migrated to Indonesia and started committing rape-y stuff on the women there? If it isnt, Im googling. 
Oh. Tailhook scandal. What about it?
An example of mass sexual assault by men who grew up in a liberal culture
Ah. So youre saying if the situation were reversed and people from a liberal culture were fleeing war and poverty, and say Indonesia takes them in, the chances that they will commit rape-y stuff...
would be the same as the Middle Eastern and North African migrants in Europe. I dont know. I just dont buy it.
I mean would you think that of Pinoy migrants? We have a liberal tradition. Would we start mass rapey on say Indonesians if we were in the situation?
The situation 'being reversed' was not even in my radar
Ah. I thought you were responding to me 'if the situation were reversed' premise.
^my 'if the situation...' I meant
my friend who did fieldwork in korea met filipino men who were very aggressive with her. not rapey but aggressive
they probably won't behave the same in the philippines
Why were the Filipino men aggressive with the Korean lady?
no, my friend is pinay. they were jockeying for position, trying to win her as a 'prize'
and apparently adultery was quite normal among filipinos there - men and women
Ah, the Filipino men based in Korea were aggressive with your Filipina friend based there 
no my pinay friend doing the fieldwork!
Your Filipina Friend doing fieldwork in Korea ?
Scratch it, saw your comment above, sorry