None of them were doing anything that broke the TOS, and Mark thinks it had something to do with "spam" in that they used a lot of emotes, but even he's not entirely sure what exactly triggered the auto algorithm.

On top of that he's received hundreds of emails of people attempting to have their bans reviewed only to get rejected, and any attempt to contact Youtube has been met with, frankly, bullshit responses.

He's doing what he can from his end and trying very hard to get these accounts back for people who did nothing wrong, but it's obviously going to be a difficult if not impossible fight. He warned that if you stream on youtube, maybe don't until we know more, and if you watch be cautious of your "spam" (in the loosest term possible)

I was just about to make a plurk about this. /gently replurks

This even extends to Germany apparently??? I'm so... frustrated on the behalf of everyone hit by this :/

Yeah (OP here)

He mentioned emails from Germany and I'm sure there's probably other locations that got hit too

I JUST finished watching Mark's video about this /replurk

I really hope Mark can help rally in some help. He does at least know powerful presences

And he's very passionate over his community

I missed the stream but knowing that happened at all is really upsetting

I feel for all the people who lost so much

My account is like... 2007? I don't have a ton on it but there's a lot of subs and liked videos that I would be crushed if I lost access to

I'm sitting here staring at my hands bc.... I almost joined the stream. And I know I would have been active in it...

I just barely dodged a bullet and that's a tiny bit surreal

ohhh yikes yeah

Like just imagining how much I'd lose increases how pissed I feel for the people because mine isn't even that old? So I can only imagine how it'd be for folks who have had theirs even longer :c

I'll watch but I don't often comment for my own sanity but I feel that

Like I consider myself blessed that my "mobile" (ie ps3/ps4) versions of youtube's app actually haven't fallen victim to the lacking updates on subs issue

but this is on a whole different level of broken

I actually got hit by a realization too

Looking at how it says "2 days ago" and then "yesterday" and then considering how many people got hit

There's no way they're properly reviewing anything

... youtube

There's no time with such a massive amount of people hit

what in the actual fuck

YEAH

This makes them look even worse

This whole situation just looks way worse now and I'm oidfsakjdlh

I do not understand why they're so determined to just let content creators get screwed over when they wouldn't even exist without these people

Just massive kick and then a very clear determination to not change anything :| I can't say I'm surprised, with how... they've been declining in quality for a while...

YEAH..

but yeah def be careful until we know more or have some semblance of resolution

damn respect for him for being willing to damage his chances to have a show done again to get attention on the issue

And keep in mind, if you've got your Android phone tied to google, you're gonna lose access to that stuff without your google account. Including if you synced up your contacts and whatnot.

Like that's the part about people's livelihoods that isn't just using the gmail that it can affect.

Seriously. I mean I'd do the same in his shoes tbh. AHWM was huge for him and went so well, but all of that means so little if the people that supported it are being kicked from the very platform that hosted it.

and yeah I sure as shit don't wanna lose my google account considering how long I've had them

*accounts

holy shit

all hail modding based on algorithms

thats a whole new level of bullshit for yt, its bad enough to screw over creators with the usual yt garbage but to basically attack their viewers for simply participating in a livestream????

Welcome to Youtube Fucks Up Again, Part 12, Volume 1000

who's gonna want to go into any livestreams on yt now with that bullshit risk, aka creators still get screwed because if they want to stream their viewers are gonna get scared away...

suspending google accounts ontop of that is also a whole new level of wat

Just another reason I'd like to see people start moving, kind of like how we eventually switched from LJ to DW

(and yet, somehow, im still not surprised to hear about yt pulling this...)

And now when I go look at LJ now it's awful

There were people commenting (via other accounts obv) that even if they did get their accounts reinstated they weren't likely to comment anymore for fear of losing them again

But they keep pulling stuff and it's... never ending

man. if a community as uncoordinated as LJRP can migrate entire websites, i believe

They don't care about creators anymore, just celebrities and TV stuff

I mean I wanna believe too but I worry there might not be a service that works quite like YT

there just needs to be a better competitor to yt

at least not yet

did youtube think the people participating in the stream were doing something illegal?

Yeah, there's some startups but they're definitely not as established

Still, Youtube was once small, too

VidMe is the closest YouTube has gotten to having a competitor, and its launch was... bad.

(Not as established and obviously it takes time to set up things like streaming services and stuff, they don't offer quite as much yet)

Ayasugi_san: That's just it - Mark even vouched that all they were doing, all they were doing was posting multiple emojis at once

The problem I've seen so many of the would-be competitors to YouTube is that they're coming at it as a build up. Thinking they can just add features in like YouTube did, forgetting that they have to compete against a 10+ year old juggernaut and they don't have that luxury

I've heard they're rolling out something soon with marking whether content is aimed at kids or not

He even showed what one of the comments was

And if you don't say it's aimed for kids and someone subjectively decides it is, there is up to a $42,000 fine or something ridiculous

?

Yup

Like, really really awful

Lemme hunt up the tweet I saw about that, actually

that just makes me wonder why YT would think posting emojis en masse is Bad

because it sounds like some wires got crossed big time

Published Author on Twitter

that's why we're so confused and concerned

and why mark is so upset

Who knows. There's been so many times they've banned creators then just re-instated them and there's 0 explanation...

They have no communication about what they want or why or anything most the time

So many channels I watch now almost have to speak in code because you can't curse too much or say the wrong word or anything

Idk yet if this has hit any other creators, though it likely has

youtube's rules, making everyone have to act like pedophiles and use coded constantly changing language

So if they talk about a serious subject it's like they have to create a code language to discuss it. Like, I watch a lot of cases where people disappeared/were murdered and I've even seen those creators have to use replacement words...

Mark just has the biggest platform to both see that this was a large scale issue and be able to get information about it out rather quickly

it likely has to do a lot 1) hacking/security problems 2) faulty algorithm and 3) it turns out YT puts streamlabs money on hold when they pull this shit so someone might be embezzling not kidding.

(I mean channels that discuss murder cases and such)

ugh. I mean I see what you're saying about the last one but that's also upsetting

reasonably

As per the spamming, it wouldn't surprise me if that was Youtube's algorithm working as intended. After all, on Twitch, you have to actively disable automod stuff to prevent the spam of emotes.

In that way it reminds me of Strikethrough where I was worried I'd get banned if I talked about my own past, you know? They're just discussing real life murders that they want solved and they can't even just... talk

what's really amusing to me in a "well that timing sucked" way is that Nintendo only just recently started relaxing their issues with people doing lets plays of their content. which I mean didn't stop people anyway, but i was watching Sean (jacksepticeye) playing Luigi's Mansion 3 and he was commenting on that being an former issue

That said, Twitch at least lets you disable it and doesn't ban people from the site for it

Man, I haven't watched him in a while and I should

Yeah but Mark has streamed tons of times with people who have done that tons of times and it's never been an issue before?

so the real question is why now

Why this stream and why these people

YT is just constantly getting worse. I'm not even sure it's a 'slow process' at this point

It's like a downward death spiral at full speed

Because YT flipped a switch and told nobody.

"What can we do today to destroy channels that everyone loves?"

"hey yknow that guy who just got us like 100 billion views on a project he worked his ass off for well over a year and we totally said we'd support him and give him the visibility for it? Yeah fuck him in particular."

pretty sure it's a combination of increasingly bullshit and arbitrary internet laws and youtube generally being a shitty platform that pays zero attention to what's happening

and to think I once wanted to do this professionally...

also a bullet dodged it seems

YouTube has a huge problem...

Thank you for properly linking it. idk why it formatted the way it did in my top post

but yeah if you missed the actual video talking about it ^

I am so glad I went to Twitch instead of Youtube

I'm all for moving too

holy shit this is megabad what the fuck youtube

agreed

Man, I just want to watch vidya, why do platform providers like youtube got to complicate this shit with incompetence and/or malicious conspiracy?

money

"couldn't they get more money honestly" yes but not as quickly and if they do it quickly enough they can run away and leave the mess to someone else

their twitter is a goddamn disaster...

there are people reaching out via twitter and still getting the "you violated our tos" responses

youtube has been shitty about customer support...pretty much since inception

I remember the late 2000s when I followed a lot of youtube Ranters. they got hit by false copyright claims all the time by trolls

that was over ten years ago. and youtube still has done NOTHING to fix it.

Good holy shit wow

Also I think this might just be the angriest I've ever actually heard Mark

yeah

yeah over something not a game

His people getting such BS :/

I wonder if it's related to the age requirements thing. Like you have to have permission if you're under 18 to use youtube now? According to this faq I just read. Surely not everyone was under 18 though >.>;

Or it could have been the most random of glitches, either way... annoying x.x

Seconding I've never heard Mark this angry.

They've banned for stupid reasons before but seriously?

Sweet Jesus, Youtube is such tremendous ass.

I cannot believe that they're still on this kick

They've received nothing but negative feedback and unwarranted horror stories about their automated systems for YEARS. For YEARS. FOR Y E A R S.

And they just

>Am I out of touch? No, it's literally our entire userbase that's wrong

^

'we're too big to fail. Let them make noise. Only the bottom line matters.'

Honestly? I do think they think they're too big to fail. But they need to remember, they haven't even been around that long. Yes, they might be huge right now, but that can change

It's obvious they're no longer about the creators. They became big because they had edgy content to begin with, and now they're terrified of curse words...

Hey who here remembers when Skype was the dominant voicechatting software to the point of near-synonym V:

Just saying, thrones are always temporary

GM used to be the dominant car company in North America and now they don't even exist here

I'm hoping creators start creating backups elsewhere at least

GM is still one of the top U.S. car companies even though they just had a strike and at one point killed 13 people with a faulty ignition switch that they failed to recall for 10 years and I think they're still top 3 car manufacturer so that probably isn't the best example of YouTube goals

but god YouTube is garbage and tbh I think it needs to be the content creators leading the charge on moving because of they stay on YouTube, the viewers will stay on YouTube

Huh. I thought they were closing all their US and Canada plants

My B, then

It's going to happen as long as there are monopolies and no alternatives that are profitable for the hosts, sadly. I do recall there was a youtube alternative a few years back, that closed down sadly due to the later.

I saw someone on reddit recommend peertube but I haven't looked into it.

TeamYouTube on Twitter

thanks for the update on that

someone's gotta make a new site

the problem is that there aren't any alternatives like YouTube. You can basically upload anything for free. Yes you start getting slammed for copywrites and the money is ridiculous, but as far as I know none of the other places give you that free uploading option

or if they do, the size of the file is not comparable. Like I tried uploading a 30min video to Vimeo and it was too big

how is that startup caffeine doing? i know its primarily streaming, but i dont want to support amazon (i.e. twitch) if i don't have to and google is evil

yeah twitch has its own issues, like deleting your videos after so long if you don't pay them or however that works

yup

I think they delete the initial recordings, yeah, but you do get the chance to download them at least. and afaik they don't delete highlights?

so I think you can just make highlights of the vods lmao

That's what I've been doing with Twitch. I kind of like that, because who has time to sit and watch a 2-7 hour video?

I can just save the best parts. And every so often I make a compilation and upload it to youtube.

fwiw yt literally just updated their terms and conditions. i got the email for it like... 2 days ago? super recent, it could be a result of whatever they did to support it.

it's still super shitty for so many to lose their accounts, be told there's nothing YouTube can do if they're rejected

There's a pretty lengthy history of YT fucking people over without explanation, too. Sometimes they reinstate people (still no explanation), or just... are unresponsive

They're just getting worse

YouTube's Big Problem --- UPDATE update video

glad to hear it